Okdes Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 So, this has been bugging me for a while, so I'm asking you wonderful 17th sharders for help. What the hell are the ideals of the Dustbringers? I'm at a loss for any potential ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlem Worldhoppers Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Maybe they view things similarly to Cultivation and believe that any change is a good change, even if that change may be destructive in nature. With so much end positive investiture on Roshar maybe they see it as their responsibility to act as the great equaliser in breaking down matter at a sustainable rate in order to preserve Roshar. This could be what went wrong on Ashyn as the dustbringers/releasers went over the top in their destruction, making their planet uninhabitable. So maybe their ideals are something along the lines of 'I will bring order to chaos' as they break matter down into a simpler form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okdes Posted June 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 That ideal makes sense, I like the Cultivation connection. Although, I'm not sure the Releasers could have broken a whole planet so thoroughly. Not that we've seen much of what they can do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 The Orders as we know them did not exist on Ashyn. Quote Shardbound [PENDING REVIEW] Were the Surges used by humans, the ones that destroyed their previous home, the same as the ones that the Radiants are using. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes, same basic principles. Magic system slightly different. Same basic principles. source They had a similar magic system, but the specifics were different. The Orders we know, and the Spren that cause them, were done in mimicry of the Honorblades, which did not start until after the desolations began. As to the Releasers, I think looking at their surges is the wrong route. Every orders surges have been associated with their Divine attributes. The Dustbringer attributes are "Brave" and "Obedient." so it will most likely deal with those, and not they associated destructive powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okdes Posted June 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) That may be, but Spoiler Malata has sworn at least the third ideal to have her Spark-blade, but her oath allows her to actively work against the other knights. From her mannerisms and speech, (Calling everyone 'Frozen' and idiots) I feel like the Releasers oath is a bit more loose Edited June 21, 2018 by Okdes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 And the Skybreakers have completely switched sides save Szeth. Malata is obedient to the Diagram. It's not straightforward or simple. For any of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okdes Posted June 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Yeah, fair enough. She seems to have a ton of control over her Division, from what little we saw. I'm really excited to see more of that particular surge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 The ideals of the dustbringers have something to do with courage, according to the divine attributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okdes Posted June 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 One if my favorite theorized Stoneward ideals is "I will stand where others fall." For Releasers, maybe something similar? They seem to be "Courage and Obedience" which sounds almost Skybreaker-ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 I will follow those whom I hate so long as they deserve it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, Okdes said: One if my favorite theorized Stoneward ideals is "I will stand where others fall." That's actually not a theory. That's straight from Brandon. Quote Questioner (paraphrased) Can you write an unknown Ideal [in my book]? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) They are still rough so this might not be the exact wording but: "I will stand when others fall." source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okdes Posted June 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Just now, Calderis said: That's actually not a theory. That's straight from Brandon. Oh, oops, okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseSpren Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 What about: 1. I will trust nobody. 2. I wilI call them idiots. 3. I will betray them all. 4. I will open the oathgate to the enemy. 5. I will burn them all!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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