Calderis Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 16 hours ago, Scion of the Mists said: The Heralds did not have Nahel Bonds - they gained their abilities from the Honorblades and investiture directly from Honor. Nale bonded a Highspren at some later date. He's the only Herald with a spren - that's why he's the only one with access to the surges. He also retrieved his Honorblade, so he has access through both means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angsos Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 But Honor's dead, wouldn't the stormlight from there be too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Angsos said: But Honor's dead, wouldn't the stormlight from there be too. No. The Shard is splintered, but all of that investiture spill exists. Investiture can't be created or destroyed. It's just not in a cohesive unit to be wielded by a single mind. Edited June 18, 2018 by Calderis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angsos Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 Not to be too technical but can't Nightblood destroy Investiture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ElephantEarwax Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 No. Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Does Nightblood annihilate Investiture? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Investiture cannot be created or destroyed. It can only change forms. But, anything more than that is a RAFO. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanaton Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/11/2018 at 6:40 PM, The One Who Connects said: Their ability to draw in Stormlight is tied to their Honorblade(a concern we noted after Szeth lost his), so if their hand got chopped off or their arm got slammed, the Honorblade could be dropped and that's game over. This doesn't fuse well with what we have seen with Szeth. He was BONDED to his Honorblade (as presumably were the Heralds) enabling him to summon and dismiss it like a Shardblade. There was, IIRC, no mention of heartbeats when he summoned it however, so it was at least somewhat of a different process. So separating the hand holding the blade from the rest of the person shouldn't sever the bond and disable healing. Similarly, Szeth demonstrates the ability to use lashings even while his blade is mist, ie not in his hand. He gets the ability from the blade, but physical contact is NOT required...if it's not required for Szeth it shouldn't be required for a Herald either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, Juanaton said: This doesn't fuse well with what we have seen with Szeth. He was BONDED to his Honorblade (as presumably were the Heralds) enabling him to summon and dismiss it like a Shardblade. There was, IIRC, no mention of heartbeats when he summoned it however, so it was at least somewhat of a different process. So separating the hand holding the blade from the rest of the person shouldn't sever the bond and disable healing. Similarly, Szeth demonstrates the ability to use lashings even while his blade is mist, ie not in his hand. He gets the ability from the blade, but physical contact is NOT required...if it's not required for Szeth it shouldn't be required for a Herald either. When the blade is dismissed, it's still connected to them. It's still functions as if held. It's just held by the bond. Releasing the blade is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanaton Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Calderis said: When the blade is dismissed, it's still connected to them. It's still functions as if held. It's just held by the bond. Releasing the blade is different. Exactly. Which is why cutting off the hand holding the blade doesn't sever the bond/put an end to the abilities it grants. It's not Thanos' gauntlet. For the abilities to be lost they have to break the bond to the blade. Edited June 19, 2018 by Juanaton Added a thought at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Juanaton said: Exactly. Which is why cutting off the hand holding the blade doesn't sever the bond/put an end to the abilities it grants. It's not Thanos' gauntlet. The issue is that when an Honorblade is dropped, it does not disappear to mist like a sprenblade. It is well and truly released. They must be willed away to turn to mist. Dropping it does not maintain the bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciridae Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 On 18/06/2018 at 1:33 PM, Calderis said: No. The Shard is splintered, but all of that investiture spill exists. Investiture can't be created or destroyed. It's just not in a cohesive unit to be wielded by a single mind. So do you believe the Heralds, were they holding their honor blade would still be able to draw on Investiture directly from splintered Honor? I can't remember if we've seen Nale drain spheres himself, but I always assumed he would have to get his stormlight like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szmit Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 Quote luke.spence (paraphrased) You mentioned that human can’t bond Honorblades, but Nalan tells Szeth that his bond with his Honorblade has been broken. Can you clear this up? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Humans CAN bond Honorblades. There's a crucial difference between Honorblades and Shardblades. When you drop an Honorblade, it does not disappear, even if it has been bonded. A Shardblade will disappear when dropped. source I put it there because I didn't belive @Calderis at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpro Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 On 19/06/2018 at 4:46 PM, Juanaton said: This doesn't fuse well with what we have seen with Szeth. He was BONDED to his Honorblade (as presumably were the Heralds) enabling him to summon and dismiss it like a Shardblade. There was, IIRC, no mention of heartbeats when he summoned it however, so it was at least somewhat of a different process. So separating the hand holding the blade from the rest of the person shouldn't sever the bond and disable healing. Similarly, Szeth demonstrates the ability to use lashings even while his blade is mist, ie not in his hand. He gets the ability from the blade, but physical contact is NOT required...if it's not required for Szeth it shouldn't be required for a Herald either. Seth also needed 10 heartbeats to summon the honor blade. Read the Way of Kings Prologue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Yeah, that's true. We don't know why that's the case exactly, It's probably to do with perception/belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanaton Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 On 6/22/2018 at 9:09 AM, FahadWajid said: Seth also needed 10 heartbeats to summon the honor blade. Read the Way of Kings Prologue. Oops, I had forgotten that mention. I guess the status of my IIRC is that I did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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