Bort Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 So, reading Elantris again, and I was struck at how similar Ahan and Sebarial (Stormlight Archives) are, which makes me wonder if they are, in fact, the same person. If they are, could Palona be the worldhopping Kandra? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marles Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 I would think might be unlikely despite their similar interest in trading and appearance. Isn't Ahan one of the older group members in Elantris? If he moved to Roshar I think it would be hard for him to become a high prince with no familial ties and already being older without questions arising. The other consideration would be the time gap since I believe the storyline in Elantris happens waaaaaaaay before Stormlight Archive (but other characters have somehow lasted that long so I suppose it's possible). Also, didn't Ahan change somewhat dramatically after he betrayed the group, in attitude and appearance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bort Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 You may be right, but I thought it could be fun speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marles Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bort said: You may be right, but I thought it could be fun speculation. It is an interesting thought. Just another one of those things that probably can't be definitively proved or disproved at the moment. If Ahan was a worldhopper like you speculate, why do you think Paloma would be a Kandra? Just because it's unlikely Ahan would be worldhopping solo or is there something else that leads you in this direction? I don't think I paid any more attention to Sebarial or Paloma's speaking patterns to notice, but is there anything they say that sticks out as odd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bort Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Not really. It was the similarities between Sebarial and Ahan that struck me. And if Ahan is married in Elantris, and is with Palona in Stormlight, then why not have her as the Kandra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Aren't all the Alethi highprinces descendents of the Sunmaker? And that they're all interrelated, with lineages and family lines and stuff? I don't think that Ahan from Elantris (which would be something near 1000 years before WoK) would manage to insinuate himself into society to such a degree that he would be able to be an Alethi highprince. Yeah Quote “Ephemeral! He reforged Alethkar, Brightlord! You shouldn’t speak so of one like him. You’re his descendant, correct?” “We all are,” Gavilar said. “House Kholin, House Sadeas … all ten princedoms. Their founders were his sons, you know. So yes, signs of his touch are here—yet his empire didn’t last even a single generation past his death. Leaves me wondering what was wrong with his vision, his planning, that his great empire broke apart so quickly.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 I suspect that Brandon just likes the character type. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bort Posted April 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 3 hours ago, RShara said: Aren't all the Alethi highprinces descendents of the Sunmaker? And that they're all interrelated, with lineages and family lines and stuff? I don't think that Ahan from Elantris (which would be something near 1000 years before WoK) would manage to insinuate himself into society to such a degree that he would be able to be an Alethi highprince. I see your point here, but we have precedent that not all Highprinces have to be descended from Sunmaker - Amaram. Sadeas' wife basically makes him Highprince, and so far as we know, he's not of Sadeas' line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 She made him the equivalent of a highprince, yeah, but not actually highprince. He was a regent for Sadeas and Ialai's nephew, who was the actual heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 28 minutes ago, RShara said: She made him the equivalent of a highprince, yeah, but not actually highprince. He was a regent for Sadeas and Ialai's nephew, who was the actual heir. They kind of made it sound like he was a Sadeas though, since they called him Sadeas a couple of times. Maybe Ialai adopted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: They kind of made it sound like he was a Sadeas though, since they called him Sadeas a couple of times. Maybe Ialai adopted him. Right, he was, in essence, Highlord Sadeas because he was in that position. But it was as a regent for the actual heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaladin Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 Why would she choose to be a darkeyes though? Wouldn't that draw unwanted attention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheezyguy6 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Is the other direction possible? Could it be that Sabarial went to Sel, set up shop, and used his highprince riches to get into a position of power after the Reod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, cheezyguy6 said: Is the other direction possible? Could it be that Sabarial went to Sel, set up shop, and used his highprince riches to get into a position of power after the Reod? Nope. Stormlight takes place centuries after Elantris, possibly even over 1000 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheezyguy6 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Where does that come from? I've been looking for some sort of timeline between books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 It's a variety of WoBs where people have pieced together a rough timeline. I like this one the best. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JJtJhHwpKdow01n2-bsT3scVvqJd6lZh4uvpNwcslv8/edit#gid=0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanaton Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 In OB Sebarial is referred to several times in Dalinar's flashbacks, demonstrating that he has been aging on Roshar as a normal Rosharan (he's called Dalinar's "young friend" or something like that in one of them, though Dalinar denies the friendship)...so he almost certainly isn't Ahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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