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So, after finishing white sand volume one and two, Darkside has ALOT of technology that it shouldn't have access to, mainly guns, and that was BEFORE elantris occurred, which is like. 1000 years before Mistborn, so they would have possible access to spaceships and interstellar technology. especially with (as mentioned before) THEY HAVE STORMING GUNS!

 

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The main issue here is that The Ones Above were told to us to be people that we had seen before in January of 2014

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Have we seen the Ones Above before they gained space flight and when does Sixth of Dusk take place cosmere timeline wise?

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Yes,+it is the most "future" you have seen.

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White sand wasn't released until June 28th 2016. If it weren't for that, I'd be on board. I fully believe that at that point in the timeline Taldain will absolutely be a spacefaring force. Their technology even if it was stalled while the world was blocked off by Autonomy, was so far advanced that they have to be fairly well advanced. 

Basically I'd be right there with you if that WoB didn't exclude them. 

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My guess is that they're either Scadrians or Selish.  Sel isn't that long after White Sand (relatively speaking), and away from Elantris, the magic is pretty low-level, so they could have developed quite a bit. 

Or the Scadrians, since we've been told that the 4th Mistborn will be sci-fi and have FTL.

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As noted, the Taldaini are effectively removed from consideration because as far as the fanbase at large is concerned, that world didn't 'exist' at the time Brandon told us we've seen the Ones Above before. When he does talk about unpublished works, he's either explicit about it or it's in response to a direct question about one of these works.

1 hour ago, Nohadon said:

So, after finishing white sand volume one and two, Darkside has ALOT of technology that it shouldn't have access to, mainly guns, and that was BEFORE elantris occurred, which is like. 1000 years before Mistborn, so they would have possible access to spaceships and interstellar technology. especially with (as mentioned before) THEY HAVE STORMING GUNS!

The gap isn't that big. Brandon has said that we're 'closer to a thousand years' in terms of a timeline with events that we've seen and can place, not counting things like Aharietam or the Shattering of Adonalsium. Given the timing of the WoB, that means we can put Elantris at one end of that line and Sixth of the Dusk at the other. Brandon went back and forth on whether Elantris or White Sand was the earliest in the sequence until he finally nailed down that it was the latter. If he was doing that, they can't be that far apart chronologically or he'd have been certain which goes where.

Not disagreeing that Taldain should have quite impressive technology by the time we see them next, but even if they weren't ruled out of consideration they're hardly the only planet that could produce the Ones Above. We already know for a fact that Scadrial is going to develop FTL travel, which is the reason they're such an obvious pick. Also, everything we see the Ones Above do (other than the FTL travel itself) can be explained with extrapolations of their known technology/magic and possibly the presence of a kandra. And the restrictions they appear to be laboring under (and the ways they appear to be working around them) don't sound out of line for the kind of things Harmony might impose on them once they start travelling to other worlds.

But literally every major shardworld we've seen (except possibly Nalthis, but there's a lot about BioChroma we still don't know) has magic systems that seem like they should be capable of producing sci-fi starships eventually. Assuming they ever work out the whole range limitation issue, Sel has Aon Tia and potentially multiple other ways to manage FTL travel, Roshar has the surges of Gravitation and Transportation and as mentioned Scadrial's getting FTL even if we're not sure how yet.

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Scadrial is confirmed for FTL. Brandon has stated we'll see Shardblades in space one day, so Roshar is quite possible as well. Taldain is obviously on a similar technology path as Scadrial, so FTL is likely for them. But realistically, I expect every planet will have space-travel. We can already see some form of collaboration in Silverlight, and I can only expect that to continue. 

 

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Scadrial will get to space age sometime in future, what about other worlds. Will we see space tech based on other magic systems, shiny space battles etc.? Did we see space age tech of a world in another main (roshar, sel, scadrial) world(conveniently excluding Sixth of Dusk world)?

Brandon Sanderson

The cosmere is heading this way eventually.

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Plus, it appears the entire cosmere is heading to a space age, not just individual planets. Which makes sense, as it will be difficult to keep spacefaring technology hidden from any planet that Silverlighters have access to and from.

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Guns in general really aren't all the fancy, especially when comparing them to major space travel.  Earth's had primitive guns for like 600 years and we're nowhere even close to FTL travel.  Admittedly we don't have magic and shards of god running around, so not the best comparison.  Though out of the all the world's we've seen, Scadrial does seem the most comparable to Earth in terms of having Dark Ages with a ruling class of nobles followed by an Industrial Revolution (guess Scadrial skipped the Renaissance?)

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@Zellyia Harmony essentially boosted Scardial past a Renaissance stage. 

It could be said that Scadrial was in a Renaissance like era before the Lord Ruler and the Final Empire came along, squashing everything back to a orderly Dark Age. Harmony shared the knowledge of his copperminds with everyone afterwards though, propelling them back to Renaissance, bordering on industrial revolution. Add in the controlled and resource rich nature of the Elendel Basin, and they exploded into the IR.

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Although I agree The Ones Above likely aren't from Taldain for the reasons mentioned above, I definitely think people from Taldain are spacefaring by the time of Sixth of Dusk as well. And not just because of their stage of technological advancement relative to other worlds before the events of Elantris.....combine that with the fact that we know Autonomy restricted access to (and presumably from, or at least it would be a one way trip) Taldain via Shadesmar, and the inhabitants of that Shardworld have more reason than most worlds to focus on developing space travel. Other Shardworlds might not be in as much of a hurry to explore that possibility since they all (even those from Sel) have at least the capability of reaching other worlds via Shadesmar.

Plus, given the fact that Taldain's star is at least connected to that world's Investiture and magic system in some way, their attention is more naturally directed offplanet just via exploring and learning more about their magic and how it works than is likely true of other worlds.

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