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[OB] Book 4 Storyline Predictions and Discussions

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So how do you think Book 4 will progress. It is supposed to be based on Eshonai so I'll make the following predictions on how the story will progress:

Back Story:

- History of Parshmen and their gods

- Gavilar's intentions and his relationship with Sons of Honor

- Information on Desolation

 

Current Story:

- Shallan and Sja-Anat

- Dalinar and alliance building

- Queen Jasnah!

- Kaladin is a bit difficult as he found his parents and doesn't have any objectives. Maybe on his inability to progress as a Radiant. 

- Venli discovers about herself.

 

Interludes:

- Tarvangian's plan.

- Heralds backstory

- Moash

 

What do you all think? 

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I think we’ll meet Ba Ado Mishram in book 4. Since Odium is worried about being drawn into a duel without his champion, he’s going to withdraw from directly managing the war effort, and his forces will need a new leader. They’ll find one buried under Kholinar.

This will probably come with revelations about the capture of BAM, which connects nicely with the history of the Listeners.

For additional interludes, I’d predict something about Nale joining up with the Singers. I bet they’ll have some mixed feelings about their new “ally.”

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9 minutes ago, Belzedar said:

I think we’ll meet Ba Ado Mishram in book 4. Since Odium is worried about being drawn into a duel without his champion, he’s going to withdraw from directly managing the war effort, and his forces will need a new leader. They’ll find one buried under Kholinar.

This will probably come with revelations about the capture of BAM, which connects nicely with the history of the Listeners.

For additional interludes, I’d predict something about Nale joining up with the Singers. I bet they’ll have some mixed feelings about their new “ally.”

I'm going to disagree with you on your first point, I think Ba-Ado-Mishram is in the sphere that Szeth hid.  We'll probably see it this book, but I don't think it's under Kholinar.

As for Nale, I'm curious about how that's going to go down.  We need to see exactly why Odium assassinated Jezrien in the way that he did, since Nale very possibly could have pledged himself to a side that needs to kill him to further their plans.  I'm interested to see what happens.

As for other stuff, I think we might get to see a showdown with Tezim/Ishar in this book.  I wouldn't be surprised if Taln and Ash end up being the ones to fight him.  You know, to stop a herald, you need two heralds, or something like that.  If the Ash-Dustbringer theory is true,  I could see them both starting to swear their ideals in this book.

Also, I'm in the camp of Rlain becoming involved in reaching out to the Listeners who escaped Narak.  He might team up with now-radiant Venli to do that.

So yeah, I think the two big factors not mentioned already are Taln and Ash, and Rlain.  Interested to see how that story goes!

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1 hour ago, TequilaJack said:

Back Story:

- History of Parshmen and their gods

- Gavilar's intentions and his relationship with Sons of Honor

- Information on Desolation

 

I think Gavilar's personal intentions will remain hidden. If we gain insight, I think it will be through Dalonar's PoV. However I think Sons of Honor / Ghostbloods will be revealed, and the relationship between them, Taravangian, and whatever opposition he has.

Kal will need a few flashbacks, I think we'll continue with Tarah.

Also lots of Eshonai (Venli flashbacks). 

 

1 hour ago, TequilaJack said:

Current Story:

- Shallan and Sja-Anat

- Dalinar and alliance building

- Queen Jasnah!

- Kaladin is a bit difficult as he found his parents and doesn't have any objectives. Maybe on his inability to progress as a Radiant. 

- Venli discovers about herself.

I think more Navani than Jasnah. But speaking of, I'm holding out for some Kal/Jasnah sparks. We'll see quite a bit of Shallan + Adolin, probably struggles.

Of course Kal's primary antagonist for books 4/5 has been introduced: Moash. Learning to trust Szeth.

Also Shallan + Ghostbloods. And a shadesmar arc.

1 hour ago, TequilaJack said:

Interludes:

- Tarvangian's plan.

- Heralds backstory

- Moash

Mraise, Zahel. Maybe Hoid. Think we'll see the purelake again.

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Axies will likely appear, as I think there was a WoB about it.

We may find out how and when the Listeners splintered away from the Singers to leave behind Odium.

Venli will likely be spreading Listener culture among the Singers, about choice, free will and deciding who you are. I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the book she must either flee with her followers or side with the humans during a crucial battle. 

I think we may see onscreen with bigger roles a couple more Heralds, maybe Ishar and Battar since they were both briefly mentioned in OB.

Taravangian will muddle through things with the Diagram as usual.

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3 hours ago, WhiteLeeopard said:

 

Venli will likely be spreading Listener culture among the Singers, about choice, free will and deciding who you are. I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the book she must either flee with her followers or side with the humans during a crucial battle. 

I agree, I think Venli will recruit and join the radiants in the end. I also think Rlain will be part of it and will become a squire or even radiant.

Adolin will be a bit of a mess, dealing with his wife, his disillusionment with his Father, and the repercussions of Sedeas death.

We will finally get a Stonewarden.

Kaladin will say his 4th oath and Shallan will accept her 4th truth.

Shallan will finally realise she was a naive fool for infiltrating the ghostbloods. And we will see more of them.

I think that Moash will kill Taln.

And I think Lopen will make a spectacularly unsucessful pass at Ash.

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I wish we had more of a hint of what was wrong with the Horneater Peaks. What is this Unmade's ability? But maybe an army of Horneaters come marching down to attack the weakened Shattered Plains. Or else we see an expedition to the Peaks to investigate. 

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I hope we see more of the Horneater Peaks, in particular, King Rock's triumphant return home as their new Shardbearer (that said, I hope Rock becomes Radiant regardless of his Shards). Possibly in part 5, leading an army of Radiants to free Cultivation's Perpendicularity.

And I think Lopen will make a pass at Jasnah. Bridge Four is, after all, the royal bodyguard.

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Maybe it's time we saw more of Cultivation. After Honor and Odium, she's really merged into the woodwork. 

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More Axies, Hoid and Lopen getting himself in trouble

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I'm hoping for lots of Rlain (Rlain for Bondsmith 2k17, fight me).

More progress for Adolin and Maya (please Sanderson, you have no idea how bad I want this, these two are my platonic OTP of the year).

 

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My Predictions: I wanna go a bit more into detail. I'll be predicting more than just the storyline.

The prologue takes place on the night of Gavilar's death, probably through Elhokar's POV. I mean, a single viewpoint chapter from him would be nice, seeing as we never got one before and are obviously never getting that chance again. Also, I wanna know what he was talking to Nale and that other guy about. It had to be important, right? Right. The name of the prologue will be "To [insert verb]", following along with that common SA trope. I read somewhere else a suggestion that it might be "To Answer."

Other obvious things I don't need to mention but will anyway: The names of the five parts together undoubtedly form a ketek, the epilogue will be from Wit's POV as he has a philosophical monologue right before one more important thing happens in the Brandon Avalanche, some of our Radiants will advance in their oaths in part four or part five during the Avalanche (I also hope for Shardplate growth), and we'll probably get to know a lot more about the singers in this book, as it's sort of their book. Because of that, I think this book will also give us a clearer understanding of the ten levels of Voidbinding and nine levels of the Fused, which even Oathbringer has only lightly touched on (kind of like how Elantris barely touched on the Dakhor magic, or how the first two Mistborn books were elusive about Hemalurgy, making us wonder how this mysterious evil magic system really works).

Other story predictions: Dalinar will finish writing Oathbringer and publish it, Shallan will come to some sort of confrontation with Sja-anat and maybe even a rematch with Re-Shephir, Adolin and Renarin will find out the truth about their mother's death, more on the Ghostbloods like an actual appearance from the enigmatic Thaidakar, more on the Tukar/Emul war like an appearance from Ishar/Tezim, and Vyre killing another Herald and maybe Roshone too. I actually think it might be Ishar who Vyre kills. I also think/hope Dalinar will finally have dealt with the remaining highprinces not loyal to him ('bout time that finally happened, since he's only been trying to unite the highprinces for three books already).

Also, we've seen a pattern in the chapter heading images. For each flashback chapter in the Stormlight books, it has shown the symbol of the main character of the book in reverse color order. For Kaladin in TWoK, there's the spear that has a black banner on it in his normal chapters, and a white one in the flashbacks. For Shallan in WoR, it's a white Pattern on a black background with a black Pattern on a white background for her flashbacks. For Dalinar in OB, we see the crest of the Kholin princedom in white with black symbols but black with white symbols in his flashback scenes. I believe that this will not be the case in the fourth book, because the flashbacks will be for Eshonai, who isn't alive now, so why would we need reverse-color chapters? No, I think the flashbacks will just be the normal Eshonai chapter headings (a Parshendi woman silhouette in Shardplate) while modern chapters with Venli will have hers in contrast (a Parshendi woman silhouette looking down at a spren in her hand).

I've noticed the books lengths are getting exponentially longer. WoR is about 80 pages longer than TWoK, and OB is about 160 pages longer than WoR, so a loose assumption could be that SA4 will be 240 pages longer than Oathbringer, clocking in at about 1,500 pages, which is longer than Sanderson's all-time favorite novel, Les Miserables (about 1,400 pages). I've actually wonder if it's one of Brandon's life goals to write a book longer than his favorite book. It seems to be going that direction.

Last but not least: the name. I think the book title will be in relation to a written work of the listeners or the singers, maybe "Song of Secrets" (likely, but maybe a copout) or "Eila Stele" (maybe too unconventional for a book name).

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