Toaster Retribution Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Who is the better villain, in your opinion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMetroid Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 I know who Kylo would vote for 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MistbornAlpaca Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 It depends on what we're talking about. Going on my favorite villain, it would be Kylo, but the "better" villain is definitely Vader. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 How is this even a debate? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kered Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Vader. Not even a contest. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briar King Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 This thread is a clear waste of precious internet space! besides the answer is clearly VADER 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Why Kylo Ren is the correct choice: Kylo is much more complex than Vader. He is surrounded by awesome people, and he wants to be recognized and seen as well, which is where his power-madness comes from. He is afraid of being weak. This is why he is dressing up like a wannabe Vader, and why he worships his grandfather so much. This is also why he wants to kill the past. It all reminds him of his weakness, and of the ones who are stronger than him. At the same time, he does have feelings for others, deep down. Killing Han hurt him, and his actions in TLJ shows that he cares for others too. We get to see Kylo grow and evolve. Vader was basically the same guy until the end of RotJ where he changes. He lacks the depth that Kylo has. Kill the past and vote Kylo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iarwainiel I Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) I voted Vader. But then I remembered that he doesn't have as awesome of a Twitter feed as (emo) Kylo Ren: https://twitter.com/KyloR3n So now I am conflicted ... just like both of them ... EDIT: A friend just reminded me ... Vader did have quite a MySpace account, ... back in the day ... Edited January 18, 2018 by old aggie addition 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobold King Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 They're such different types of villains it's barely worth comparing them, I would think. Vader is meant to be menacing and intimidating, scary beyond all reason. His character succeeds at that with flying colors. Kylo Ren is meant to be a tragic figure who wants to be feared but is constantly struggling with himself, unsure of what he really wants. His character succeeds at that with flying colors. It's like comparing apples and oranges. ...that said, I'm gonna vote Kylo Ren because I have a feeling he'll need the extra love. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Watch the last scene of Rogue One. The answers you seek shall come to you, and Vader will be crowned the "best villain". (Sorry, Kylo fans. I'm a passionate Vader supporter.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy92 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 It's easily Vader. I think Kylo Ren is the best part of the new trilogy, but that doesn't make him a better villain than the most iconic villain in the series. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kered Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 On 09/01/2018 at 9:23 PM, Kobold King said: They're such different types of villains it's barely worth comparing them, I would think. Vader is meant to be menacing and intimidating, scary beyond all reason. His character succeeds at that with flying colors. Kylo Ren is meant to be a tragic figure who wants to be feared but is constantly struggling with himself, unsure of what he really wants. His character succeeds at that with flying colors. It's like comparing apples and oranges. ...that said, I'm gonna vote Kylo Ren because I have a feeling he'll need the extra love. Fanboying aside, I would have to agree. If I had to choose one of them as the overall villain for the saga, I'd choose Kylo. While Vader pretty much defined the villain trope for movies, he's not as dynamic as Kylo. Kylo Ren has a lot more layers to his character and his struggle is more intense and dramatic than Vader's. I also think knowing a majority Kylo's backstory makes him more interesting, defines his conflict more than the mystery'esque of Vader. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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