JonW8 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Aside from flashbacks, I do not believe there is any use of sharp plate in the entire book by a protagonist. Is this significant? Perhaps just to add more significance to attaining shardplate in its true form in the next book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ymawgat Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Do you mean used by a radiant? Because Dalinar uses shardplate before becoming a Radiant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulminato Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, JonW8 said: Aside from flashbacks, I do not believe there is any use of sharp plate in the entire book by a protagonist. Is this significant? Perhaps just to add more significance to attaining shardplate in its true form in the next book? the plate come after the blade. we know for the windrunner come after the four ideal. different order gain the blade an the plate at different stage of progression, but i think the four oath an the plate come togheter for the most order. there is a wob (linked in another thread, i don't find him now) give some hint to the same for the bondsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonW8 Posted December 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 26 minutes ago, Ymawgat said: Do you mean used by a radiant? Because Dalinar uses shardplate before becoming a Radiant. I mean in OB specifically, all battles were without plate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ymawgat Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, JonW8 said: I mean in OB specifically, all battles were without plate. Oh storm you're right! Brandon must be doing this so that in the next book plate will seem like a fresh concept. Edited December 3, 2017 by Ymawgat test to see if i can actually swear here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucck Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Adolin and Renarin used plate in the fight with ReShephir, but I think that was it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegatorgirl00 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Actually there are some subtle hints that Shallan used Shardplate in the last battle. Quote Another hand took Shallan’s on the right. Radiant, in glowing garnet Shardplate, tall, with braided hair. And later Quote “Here,” Radiant said, tired, stumbling to her feet. She was the one Jasnah could feel. She blinked away tears. “Are you … real?” 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace21 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 3 hours ago, JonW8 said: Aside from flashbacks, I do not believe there is any use of sharp plate in the entire book by a protagonist. Is this significant? Perhaps just to add more significance to attaining shardplate in its true form in the next book? As far as I can tell the only confirmed use of Shardplate by protagonists outside of the flashbacks is the Re-Shephir fight as mentioned previously. I think it was less a conscious decision by Brandon to set up the reveal in the next book and more a consequence of the way the plot went. Between the infiltration of Kholinar requiring stealth it took Adolins plate out of the equation and since we dont see any of the radiants with it they wouldnt be be able to fight with it. This doesnt necessarily mean none of them have it. There are hints that Shallan (mentioned above) and Jasnah have their plate already and have used it but its left ambiguous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbour Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Yep, that was kinda weird after all that awesome jump/throw/crush stuff Adolin and other princes did in WoR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahak Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 On 03/12/2017 at 5:28 PM, JonW8 said: I mean in OB specifically, all battles were without plate. Jasnah and Shallan both had bits that implied they may have had plate in the battle at Thaylen City. Plus Amaran had his in his fight with Kaladin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucck Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Quote He fell beside the hole's perimeter, and stretched one hand toward Venli. His other ground against the rock wall, hand scraping the stone. Something flashed around his arm. Lines of light, a framework that covered his body. His fingers didn't bleed as they scraped the stone. Pg 1028 hardcover There might have been a glance of Dalinar's Plate in the vision with Venli too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormingTexan Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 There was a Thaylen shardbearer wearing plate too. Also this WoB regarding KR shardplate Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] *inaudible* Are they getting Shardplate anytime soon? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] That is a Read And Find Out, unfortunately... There are hints that-- if you look, there are certain people that it's implied already do have it. But I'm not gonna delve into that for another book or two. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/261-oathbringer-edinburgh-signing/#e8781 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Jasnah uses plate in the final battle of the book. It was heavily hinted at anyway. I forget whose PoV this was, but they saw a fused fly through the air and crash heavily into a wall. The person looked around the corner at the source, and saw Jasnah there, glowing faintly for a moment in a way that wasn't from stormlight, but was identical to earlier descriptions of what it looks like when a Radiant's armor appears/disappears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone5711 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 I felt like it was pretty well explained. The Radiants can only get shard plate as the progress through their ideals. Current (dead spren) plate interferes with their stormlight use. Adolin couldn't take his plate with him to Kolinar and doesn't have it because someone else is using it or keeping it for him. As others have said, it's heavily implied that Jasnah has at least limited use of plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalbusker Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) All through Kaladin's fight with mecha-Amaram, every time he was forced to break off an attack to dodge or parry, I would think "You know what would be helpful right now? Shardplate." I really thought he was going to be pushed to say his next Words to survive that fight. Instead we got the (air) cavalry to the rescue, which was better than yet another conveniently timed level up. But I think it sets up the eventual importance of plate nicely. Edited December 7, 2017 by Ookla the Busker Dodge or party 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedshaman Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 So with jasnah are you talking about when she is glowing and has geometric type patterns behind her as when she's using shardplate? Because I read that as her using her transportation surge as a weapon, like a force push or Dragonshout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntaintedchild Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 On 12/5/2017 at 1:07 PM, StormingTexan said: There was a Thaylen shardbearer wearing plate too. Also this WoB regarding KR shardplate https://wob.coppermind.net/events/261-oathbringer-edinburgh-signing/#e8781 Probably Nale has it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bo.montier Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 23 minutes ago, theuntaintedchild said: Probably Nale has it already. I think it is interesting that the 4th oath Skybreaker we see wasn't wearing plate. Wonder if it was because they were just training, or if he didn't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashan’Elin Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, bo.montier said: I think it is interesting that the 4th oath Skybreaker we see wasn't wearing plate. Wonder if it was because they were just training, or if he didn't have it. I think it was just that they were training. Unless only 5th level Skybreakers get Plate, which I don’t see as likely. The lack of Plate in this book was an interesting twist. A bunch of people were sure this would be the book that we could put the theories to rest regarding Shardplate, but instead, we got a few hints and a lot of confusion. It was nice, though. More to find out later. 2 hours ago, Ookla the Busker said: All through Kaladin's fight with mecha-Amaram, every time he was forced to break off an attack to dodge or parry, I would think "You know what would be helpful right now? Shardplate." I really thought he was going to be pushed to say his next Words to survive that fight. Instead we got the (air) cavalry to the rescue, which was better than yet another conveniently timed level up. But I think it sets up the eventual importance of plate nicely. Haha, yeah. I bet Shardplate would be quite nice to have there, espeically since Amaram had his own Plate for most of the fight. But hey, if Kaladin can take on a Shardplate-and-Yelig-nar-assisted guy without Plate, just imagine how good he’ll be with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heir of the Void Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 On 12/5/2017 at 1:52 PM, Canucck said: There might have been a glance of Dalinar's Plate in the vision with Venli too This could also be Dalinar's Surgebinding, which it sounds more like. One of the Bondsmith Surges is Cohesion, which manipulates the material properties of objects, so I see no reason he couldn't have used it to momentarily make his skin extremely strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucck Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Heir of the Void said: This could also be Dalinar's Surgebinding, which it sounds more like. One of the Bondsmith Surges is Cohesion, which manipulates the material properties of objects, so I see no reason he couldn't have used it to momentarily make his skin extremely strong. It wasn't definitive, but a "framework that covered his body" seems like a pretty big Plate tease, even more so than "geometric shapes" around Jasnah imo. I don't think I could accept one without the other at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bo.montier Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 6 hours ago, Nashan’Elin said: I think it was just that they were training. Unless only 5th level Skybreakers get Plate, which I don’t see as likely. The lack of Plate in this book was an interesting twist. A bunch of people were sure this would be the book that we could put the theories to rest regarding Shardplate, but instead, we got a few hints and a lot of confusion. It was nice, though. More to find out later. I was more thinking that something beyond the oaths was required for plate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlyol Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 @bo.montier It seems fairly clear that for the Windrunners at least 4th ideal is required for plate Quote '"My spren claims that recording this will be good for me, so here I go. Everyone says I will swear the Fourth Ideal soon, and in so doing, earn my armor. I simply don't think that I can. Am I not supposed to want to help people?" - From drawer 10-12, Sapphire' - Oathbringer Chapter 86 epigraph While the specific oath required for plate might vary somewhat between orders it seems likely that for all orders Plate was a consequence of Oaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bo.montier Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dlyol said: @bo.montier It seems fairly clear that for the Windrunners at least 4th ideal is required for plate While the specific oath required for plate might vary somewhat between orders it seems likely that for all orders Plate was a consequence of Oaths I definitely see what you're saying, but I still wonder a bit, particularly because none of the main characters manifested plate, despite the fact that Shallan was a level beyond Kaladin at the end of WoR, and despite Jasnah having been a radiant for some time (I assume she's reached the 4th ideal). To me all of the times we saw main characters with "something" about them it was a plate precursor, rather than plate itself. I come back to the skybreaker of the 4th ideal, he probably DID have his plate, just not during training, but it makes me wonder. You're probably right, that plate, like the blades, is simply acquired by achieving a certain ideal, but I still wonder at this point. Edit: To be clear, I understand that reaching a certain ideal is a requirement for Plate, I just wonder if it is Sufficient for Plate. Edited December 7, 2017 by bo.montier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WardenGiggles Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 So, this might be a bit of a tangent from this thread, but is Kaladin's plate going to be made up of Windspren? The times it's seemed like he's been close to saying the Words, there were windspren conspicuously around him. And if so, are there other cousins to the highspren that the orders bond that will make up their Plate? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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