shawnhargreaves Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Raoden and Sarene Siri and Susebron Wax and Steris Dalinar and Evi Shallan and Adolin Brandon sure does enjoy the pattern of a couple who meet after a marriage between them has already been arranged for political reasons, yet who go on to develop a real relationship and fall in love! Counter examples, where a romance developed spontaneously, are significantly rarer: Vin and Elend Sazed and Tindwyl Dalinar and Navani I doubt there's any great significance to this, but found it interesting when I counted these up just now. Unpublished works: Spoiler These split evenly. Aether of Night is in the first category (Raeth and D’Naa) and White Sand the second (Khriss and Kenton). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 It has to do with who we are looking at and the societies involved. The upper class has done this for centuries and, historically speaking, it worked more often than not. It’s relatively recently that this has changed. BTW, you forget that BoM has two other relationships: Wayne and MeLaan; Marasi and Allik. So that does change the numbers some. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Raoden and Sarene was this marriage already arranged sealed when they began to speak via Seon and fall in love? Event though I re-read Elantris this year, I can't remember the order of events here. Dalinar and Evi I'm not sure that I would qualify as what big D felt for Evi as "love"... there are many things that seem to have been there, but i'm just not sure I buy love. Other ones I totally agree with. Arranged marriage in high society being how real it was for our history makes it make sense to me. Plus it's a convenient plot device! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podman Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, shawnhargreaves said: Unpublished works: Hide contents Aether of Night is in the first category (Raeth and D’Naa) and White Sand the second (Khriss and Kenton). Spoiler Raeth and D'Naa is the second category. Edited November 17, 2017 by podman36 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storyspren Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, shawnhargreaves said: Raoden and Sarene Siri and Susebron Wax and Steris Dalinar and Evi Shallan and Adolin Brandon sure does enjoy the pattern of a couple who meet after a marriage between them has already been arranged for political reasons, yet who go on to develop a real relationship and fall in love! Counter examples, where a romance developed spontaneously, are significantly rarer: Vin and Elend Sazed and Tindwyl Dalinar and Navani I doubt there's any great significance to this, but found it interesting when I counted these up just now. Unpublished works: Reveal hidden contents These split evenly. Aether of Night is in the first category (Raeth and D’Naa) and White Sand the second (Khriss and Kenton). Siri and Susebron were only prearranged by an odd technicality. Not sure they count. Edited November 18, 2017 by Storyspren Erroneously presses submit after quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) Not only that, but Brandon really has a thing against premarital sex. Or even implying sex. The relationships he writes about end up feeling really cloistered and washed-out. I dunno, it's probably his religious upbringing. Edited November 18, 2017 by Vissy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amended Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) Does his religious upbringing have something to do with it? Yeah. He also writes quite a few characters who are single, religious or have morals against it, alongside time periods where premarital sex is a bigger societal no-no. Those factors let him hide it some, but leaves sex lacking in an author who otherwise does a brilliant job of catching the human experience. The nice thing is BS improves. While this is a weak spot, hopefully he’ll get a better handle on getting it across, which would lead to a more natural representation. Edited November 20, 2017 by Amended Dem typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oberyn Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 On 18/11/2017 at 2:29 PM, Amended said: Does his religious upbringing have something to do with it? Yeah. He also writes quite a few characters who are single, religious or have morals against it, alongside time periods where premarital sex is a bigger societal no-no. Those factors let him hide it some, but leaves sex lack in an author who otherwise does a brilliant job of catching the human experience. The nice thing is BS improves. While this is a weak spot, hopefully he’ll get a better handle on getting it across, which would lead to a more natural representation. I would absolutely love if Brandon did justice to a character that just liked casual sex, exactly because of what you wrote. It would help in add depth to his stories. You can always improve even if you are fantastic. I feel I wouldn't mind this if he didn't try to address sex at all, even if it felt a bit unrealistic, but as he does use it as a theme, I just hope he makes his spectrum wider. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 On 11/20/2017 at 8:52 PM, Oberyn said: I would absolutely love if Brandon did justice to a character that just liked casual sex, exactly because of what you wrote. It would help in add depth to his stories. You can always improve even if you are fantastic. I feel I wouldn't mind this if he didn't try to address sex at all, even if it felt a bit unrealistic, but as he does use it as a theme, I just hope he makes his spectrum wider. You do have Wayne and Melaan snogging in BoM. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamdring804 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 On 11/18/2017 at 9:29 AM, Amended said: Does his religious upbringing have something to do with it? Yeah. He also writes quite a few characters who are single, religious or have morals against it, alongside time periods where premarital sex is a bigger societal no-no. Those factors let him hide it some, but leaves sex lacking in an author who otherwise does a brilliant job of catching the human experience. The nice thing is BS improves. While this is a weak spot, hopefully he’ll get a better handle on getting it across, which would lead to a more natural representation. The only place I really felt this got in the way of the story was with Vin and Elend. They were obviously sleeping together (source), but the text goes out of its way to imply that they're not. I don't think it needed a sex scene to work, just a single acknowledgement that yes, they're in a relationship, and yes, that means they're sleeping together. Still, he is getting better at how he approaches things. He seems like a good person at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiadin Haloun Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 I actually like that he doesn't write very many sex scenes. It is something that usually takes away from the story, and can be implied without being explicit. The exception is when it is a driving feature of at least a plot point. Example is siri and susebron. We don't need to hear the squishing to know what is going on, and in fact it would take away from the story of he described those parts, but you know that they did it. Wheel of time also skirted the juicy details usually, focusing more on the emotions that occured during or after. Rather than the actual physicality of the deed. Unless you are looking for something to rev up your imagination in that area, there is no need for the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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