Silva Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Ignoring the fact that he stole the Shardblade Kaladin was giving to someone else, helped out Sadeas against Dalinar, tried too hard to have a perfect reputation, and OB spoilers: Spoiler Is dead and tried killing people, Amaram is a great guy. (And I know I missed some things - I was summing up the whole) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 Yay! Someone revived this! Amaram is awesome. And @Silva you can´t really blame Amaram for (OB spoilers): Spoiler Being dead. That one is completely on Rock. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silva Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 His fault for Spoiler Being there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Silva said: His fault for Reveal hidden contents Being there @Silva That one is technically on Dalinar for Spoiler telling him to go there Edited July 18, 2018 by Toaster Retribution 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silva Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 But Spoiler He chose to help out Ialai 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 That one is also on Dalinar because Spoiler He offered to help but Dalinar didn’t want him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ark1002 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Bah, amaram is still cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Ark1002 said: Bah, amaram is still cool. Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ark1002 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 You're welcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringerofShadows Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Next there’s going to be a Sadeas Fan Club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life&Death Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 As characters they are both extremely well written. As people they are buckets of crem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Absolutely agreeing with you there. In that sense, they're a lot like Denth from Warbreaker or TLR from Mistborn or Elend's brother from Mistborn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Technically, Amaram and TLR aren’t buckets of crem. They try to do what they percieve as right. Sadeas is chullcrem though. Denth is just a mercenary, and is as bad as other swords for hire in other stories. Zane is mentally unhinged and grew up as a weapon to an abusive father. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life&Death Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Very true. But doesn’t everyone try to do what they perceive as right? Mistborn Era 1 Spoilers. (I don’t know spoiler policy so just to be safe.) Spoiler TLR did do what was right. He just didn’t have experience with his powers. And had Ruin influence eventually, but it wasn’t his fault. I also feel for Zane, he was trained to be the way he was, and also had Ruin influence. So I guess buckets of crem is a bit extreme, but Amaram has misguided morals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringerofShadows Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Life&Death said: As characters they are both extremely well written. As people they are buckets of crem. There more than buckets of crem. They are the manifestations of Greediness, Arrogance, Stupidity, Ignorance and a bunch of other nasty things. Edited July 19, 2018 by BringerofShadows 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life&Death Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Greediness, yes, arrogance, definitely, stupidity, not really, ignorance, possibly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silva Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 22 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said: That one is also on Dalinar because Hide contents He offered to help but Dalinar didn’t want him. I know this is past, but it was Amaram’s fault for Spoiler Wanting power that would come from helping 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, Silva said: I know this is past, but it was Amaram’s fault for Hide contents Wanting power that would come from helping Well technically he wanted that in order to Spoiler Help people. Yes, there is also a wish to be a hero, but Amaram does care about other people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silva Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Though not when he’s Spoiler Murderously (is that a word?) trying to kill them while dying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 That is actually on Odium for Spoiler Showing Amaram the lies of Vorinism and making him realize that every crime he commited was for nothing. He was weak enough to succumb to Odiums offer of guilt-removal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silva Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 So he’s a poor person because he can’t Spoiler Handle the weight of his decisions. He’d rather pretend to be a good person than really be one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Nope. He is a tragic person because Spoiler Sacrificed everything for a cause that ended up being a lie. And when those sacrifices weren’t worth anything anymore, the guilt was the only thing remaining. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silva Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 So he’s stupid and doesn’t think things through. You proved my point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devout Pathian Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 I wonder what would we think o Amaram if we got his viewpoints instead of Kaladin’s. I still don’t think he is a good person, but he isn’t pure evil. He’s quite interesting, especially after reading @Toaster Retribution’s reasons. I don’t hate Amaram, nor do I particularly like him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Silva said: So he’s stupid and doesn’t think things through. You proved my point. Being a religious fanatic and obeying the orders of people you respect doesn’t make you stupid or unable to think things through. It is not like the Heralds openly announced the fact that Vorinism was a sham. Amaram believed it, and he believed in the ideas that Gavilar (his king) and Restares had regarding what was best for everyone. He even questioned if he was doing the right thing, and he did it often. Both before killing Kaladins men and while sending his letter to Restares. So, he does in fact think things through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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