Walin Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 We know about the plates that could be pressed to activate Aons stratched into them by Elantrians. However, is it known whether they have to be pressed by Elantrians? Sorry if this is necro-ing an old, answered idea. Also, I’m pretty sure that you have to be Elantrian to activate an Aonic plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Yes. I'm trying to remember where the information is from, whether the book, annotations, or WoB, but it takes an Elantrian to activate the plates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 From another WoB on the possibility to re-use an Aon multiple times, I assume you will need an elantrian to activate the plates and probably he will need also to re-make the Aon (following the Plate's pattern) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent34 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Either Aon Ashe or Aon Tia plates in the city were described as activating at the touch of an Elantrian IIRC, from Raoden's POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walin Posted November 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Thanks for the answers; I should probably read through Elantris again before posting in this thread anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 On 11/2/2017 at 5:13 AM, Yata said: From another WoB on the possibility to re-use an Aon multiple times, I assume you will need an elantrian to activate the plates and probably he will need also to re-make the Aon (following the Plate's pattern) I'd like to see that WoB. I've always had it in my head that Aons "drawn" into a plate would be reusable right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 hours ago, The One Who Connects said: I'd like to see that WoB. I've always had it in my head that Aons "drawn" into a plate would be reusable right away. I will be soon at work and there for some weird reason Theoryland is blocked. Maybe our @Calderis and @Extesian could help. It was a WoB about re-use multiple times an Aon and Brandon said something on the line of "sure you could print the actual Aon and then an Elantrian have to follow the pattern every time to activate it" of course the wording is wrong but maybe it could help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) Here it is @Yata. It's says more than I thought. The magic as they currently understand it requires an Elantrian for activation. Quote Questioner You recently compared the Aon Dor to a programming language of some sorts. Could you actually go one step further and build something like a curcuit board? Brandon Sanderson The difficultiy with all of that is that you have got to remember that the magic as they understand it right now only works based on Elantrian intention and activation. There were basically these sorts of things, but the switch has to be flipped by an Elantrian. Thoase things existed in Elantris. Questioner It's just that I think that Elantris itself could be some sort of a really big circuit board. Brandon Sanderson That may be a little too far for what Elantris is, but there are places in Elantris which are just what you are describing. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/58305-2017-03-2425-germany-leipzig-book-fair-minor-cosmere-spoilers/?do=findComment&comment=541560 Edited November 7, 2017 by Calderis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Quote Questioner You recently compared the Aon Dor to a programming language of some sorts. Could you actually go one step further and build something like a curcuit board? Brandon Sanderson The difficultiy with all of that is that you have got to remember that the magic as they understand it right now only works based on Elantrian intention and activation. There were basically these sorts of things, but the switch has to be flipped by an Elantrian. Thoase things existed in Elantris. Questioner It's just that I think that Elantris itself could be some sort of a really big circuit board. Brandon Sanderson That may be a little too far for what Elantris is, but there are places in Elantris which are just what you are describing. Quote DrogaKrolow OK, I’ve got a question about AonDor. Brandon Sanderson Ok. DrogaKrolow So it's a lot like functional programing. Brandon Sanderson Yes. DrogaKrolow And my question is: could you write a higher-level language of programming with that? Brandon Sanderson Yes. DrogaKrolow Oh... Brandon Sanderson Mmhmm. But. Only an Elantrian could make it, like, work, right? Not compile but could execute the function. They would have to type it out and execute it. Like if you were just-- Even if you just gave it to them, they would have to retype it and go. But yes, you could. DrogaKrolow Couldn't you like-- Is there an Aon for define, definition? So like you could go and define some really long sequence of Aons and then assign it to a simple shape. Brandon Sanderson Right. DrogaKrolow Then draw the symbol, and would it work? Brandon Sanderson Right right, object-oriented. This is realisticallyplausible, you would have to write all this stuff and call the function and have this constantly in a state of kinetic Investiture. But that is reasonable. I mean it's not so far off from things they actually did with much fewer-- much fewer lines of code, if you wish, in the past. It's what Elantris itself was Both from this year, Leipzig and Warsaw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 @Calderis @Extesian thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 12 hours ago, Yata said: "sure you could print the actual Aon and then an Elantrian have to follow the pattern every time to activate it" I knew an Elantrian would have to do the activation every time, but I was thinking about those teleportation plates in Elantris to traverse the city. Those were presumably inscribed by an Elantrian ages ago, and I don't recall Raoden and company needing to redraw the plates to use. That and our only usage of Aon Tae to open the secret door. I might be misremembering the book(it's been a while), but I got the impression that those were always viable to activate, provided you were an Elantrian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 hour ago, The One Who Connects said: I knew an Elantrian would have to do the activation every time, but I was thinking about those teleportation plates in Elantris to traverse the city. Those were presumably inscribed by an Elantrian ages ago, and I don't recall Raoden and company needing to redraw the plates to use. That and our only usage of Aon Tae to open the secret door. I might be misremembering the book(it's been a while), but I got the impression that those were always viable to activate, provided you were an Elantrian. I understood, but that wob made me think an Elantrian will need to re-draw the Aon on plates. By the way, I have a mindblank...When in book is a plate used ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Yata said: By the way, I have a mindblank...When in book is a plate used ? According to the Coppermind, Tae was is Chapter 25, Tia was Chapter 19 Ok, the Tae was a red herring, so that's on my bad memory. Quote Hidden Library The hidden library is located below an Elantrian meetinghouse. Its entrance is marked by an Aon Tae, which, when pressed, opened the entryway. Although it is marked by an Aon, the door itself works through a system of gears and is devoid of any magical effects. From Chapter 19: (oh, it's in Raoden's dream sequence) Quote Equally unmistakable were the Aons. These ancient glyphs covered the city; they were etched into walls, painted on doors, and written on signs. Most of them were inert—simple markings, rather than runes with an arcane purpose. Others, however, obviously held energy. Throughout the city stood large metal plates with Aon Tia, and occasionally an Elantrian would approach and place his or her hand in the center of the character. The Elantrian's body would flash, then disappear in a circular burst of light, his body instantly transported to another section of the city. [...] So, Raoden slept, and with that sleep came dreams. He had been eight when he broke his leg. His father had been loath to bring him into the city; even before the Reod, Iadon had been suspicious of Elantris. Raoden's mother, dead some twelve years now, had insisted. The secondary paragraph makes me believe the dream was a memory, and thus actually happened. Make of "place their hand on the character" as you wish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Yeah, the description of the Tia plate shows that an Elantrian doesn't need to re-draw the Aon. Just pressing on the plate is enough. Which makes sense, because if the plate wasn't a shortcut that allows an Elantrian to skip the tedious part of his magic, then what exactly is the point of it? A mere tracing guide for Elantrians who forgot their Aons would be kinda lame, don't you think? Edited November 8, 2017 by skaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 The need for an Elantrian to redraw it in my brain was if a non Elantrian drew the Aons/worked out the program. The entire purpose of the plates was quick and easy reusable Aons. If an Elantrian makes a plate any Elantrian should be able to activate/deactivate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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