i’m in the details Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 So my question is whether or not the crustacean animals on roshar came from breeds of animals on Earth. Axehounds=Dogs, Chull=Cows, etc. And if this is the case does Shinovar have all the Earth animals? Some? Which? And does it have Rosharian ones as well? Crossbreeds? One thing that sparks this is Hoids talk of Earth/Yolen animals on Roshar to Shallan and Kaladin, and Shallans mention of turtles, which are not crustacean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 51 minutes ago, i’m in the details said: So my question is whether or not the crustacean animals on roshar came from breeds of animals on Earth. Axehounds=Dogs, Chull=Cows, etc. And if this is the case does Shinovar have all the Earth animals? Some? Which? And does it have Rosharian ones as well? Crossbreeds? One thing that sparks this is Hoids talk of Earth/Yolen animals on Roshar to Shallan and Kaladin, and Shallans mention of turtles, which are not crustacean. Santhids, at the very least, aren't based on anything from Earth Quote Interview: Oct 6th, 2015Shadows of Self - Denver Kogi Anything you can tell us about santhids? Brandon Sanderson They’re one of a few Rosharan animals with a degree of sentience. It’s easier on Roshar for this to happen. Kayla Because of Cultivation? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Footnote Also, Santhids aren’t based on anything in particular on Earth (sad marine biologist face) Also, I'm not sure what you are actually asking here. If you could clarify, that could be quite helpful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i’m in the details Posted October 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 18 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: Santhids, at the very least, aren't based on anything from Earth Also, I'm not sure what you are actually asking here. If you could clarify, that could be quite helpful. When she sees the sathid, she metions something about turtles, but thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymeros Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 2 hours ago, i’m in the details said: So my question is whether or not the crustacean animals on roshar came from breeds of animals on Earth. Could you clarify? If you're asking if Brandon Sanderson had real world creatures in mind when creating these beasts then yes. If you're asking if Rosharan creatures are literally evolved from common creatures then I'm going with no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i’m in the details Posted October 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 13 hours ago, Nymeros said: Could you clarify? If you're asking if Brandon Sanderson had real world creatures in mind when creating these beasts then yes. If you're asking if Rosharan creatures are literally evolved from common creatures then I'm going with no. I meant a literal evolution with the help of Cultivation, but barring that I guess I want to know where they came from, did they live along side the "normal" animals or..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, i’m in the details said: I meant a literal evolution with the help of Cultivation, but barring that I guess I want to know where they came from, did they live along side the "normal" animals or..? This is unlikely to be the case. A prevailing theory is that the religious tale of being kicked from the Tranqueline Halls is rooted in truth and there is a subgroup on Roshar that isn't native to the planet. It's entirely probable that if this is the case they would have brought some useful animals from their world of origin. We do know that Shinovar is home to horses, pigs, and "chickens" (meaning any feathered flying thing) I make three statements here and I do not mean to imply that they are related to eachother lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i’m in the details Posted October 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Wreith said: This is unlikely to be the case. A prevailing theory is that the religious tale of being kicked from the Tranqueline Halls is rooted in truth and there is a subgroup on Roshar that isn't native to the planet. It's entirely probable that if this is the case they would have brought some useful animals from their world of origin. We do know that Shinovar is home to horses, pigs, and "chickens" (meaning any feathered flying thing) I make three statements here and I do not mean to imply that they are related to eachother lol What is Shinovar then? Is it the anomaly or is it the original? And for your not native to roshar claim as well as my evolution claim niether seem right due to the existence of the giant greatshells. Which don’t resemble Earth animals and clearly were not brought from Braize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, i’m in the details said: What is Shinovar then? Is it the anomaly or is it the original? And for your not native to roshar claim as well as my evolution claim niether seem right due to the existence of the giant greatshells. Which don’t resemble Earth animals and clearly were not brought from Braize logically Shinovar would be the anomaly because the highstorms predate the arrival of the shards. Quote BRANDON SANDERSON I’ll tell you this. The highstorms predate [the shattering of Adonalsium], and there was a lot of natural evolution on Roshar resulting in a lot of what we have there. Which makes things very interesting because Shin is one of the languages derived from Dawnate, the language of the Dawn Chant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejopen27 Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 I've been keeping a list of animals that seem to have come with the human refugees to Roshar: Horses Pigs Chickens Parrots (i'm only assuming confirmed birds) Turtles Goats Rats Minks Any I missed? I believe that Cultivation has created and sheltered Shinovar as a sanctuary for these exiled plants and animals. (probably from Ashyn) I find it amazing that cats and dogs didn't come through, the parrots must have been exotic pets. The hardest to catch was the goats. In Edgedancer, Lift thinks about small, hairy, horned horse beasts. I assume these are goats. There is a wall carving of what's probably a lion in Urithiru, but I think that is a memory of the world before Roshar (probably Ashyn). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i’m in the details Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Sounds about right to me, I assumed these animals were from yolen. Why do you think ashyn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejopen27 Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 I have an animal question on Roshar. What does a Reshi Tai Na look like? How is the head at the top. At first I pictured them as giant chulls, but a chulls head is near the ground. How does a Tai Na eat? Does it raise food to its mouth? Does it dip it's head? That would be dangerous for the people living up there. Is it a giant crab? Lobster? What does it look like. A giant hermit crab doesn't make sense with the geography of the island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i’m in the details Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, thejopen27 said: I have an animal question on Roshar. What does a Reshi Tai Na look like? How is the head at the top. At first I pictured them as giant chulls, but a chulls head is near the ground. How does a Tai Na eat? Does it raise food to its mouth? Does it dip it's head? That would be dangerous for the people living up there. Is it a giant crab? Lobster? What does it look like. A giant hermit crab doesn't make sense with the geography of the island. I’m under the impression they don’t have too eat. How could you possibly sustain multiple animals that size? As for look I pictured them as that Pokémon with a tree on its back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejopen27 Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, i’m in the details said: Sounds about right to me, I assumed these animals were from yolen. Why do you think ashyn? Ashyn is a planet in the same system that has suffered a massive cataclysm, and the only people left there are living on upside-down floating cities. It also makes sense with the Tranquiline halls myth. Ahsyn would have been a more earth-like, less stormy aka more tranquil, place that a massive disaster forced humanity to mostly abandon with the survivors fleeing to floating cities or somehow to the other inhabitable planet in the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejopen27 Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Also it seems like the Chasmfiends must spend some of their life in the Ocean. Especially since Shallan thinks their chrysalis looks like a Yu-Nerig chrysalis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i’m in the details Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 3 hours ago, thejopen27 said: Ashyn is a planet in the same system that has suffered a massive cataclysm, and the only people left there are living on upside-down floating cities. It also makes sense with the Tranquiline halls myth. Ahsyn would have been a more earth-like, less stormy aka more tranquil, place that a massive disaster forced humanity to mostly abandon with the survivors fleeing to floating cities or somehow to the other inhabitable planet in the system. Those peeps have super powers related to sickness tho. And also odium has taken over the “tranquil halls” so I would say it’s more likely to be braize. But yolen is still my guess. Due to a wob stating that Scandriel is one of two planets where life was actively created by shards. Unless roshar is the other. Thank you for your input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i’m in the details Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 3 hours ago, thejopen27 said: Also it seems like the Chasmfiends must spend some of their life in the Ocean. Especially since Shallan thinks their chrysalis looks like a Yu-Nerig chrysalis. True however that does not solve the issue of food source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejopen27 Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 13 hours ago, i’m in the details said: True however that does not solve the issue of food source. I'm sure they do eat wild Chulls out in the Natan hills like is speculated by Shallan at one point, but a giant apex predator makes more sense if it spend most of it's life cycle in the ocean. As for Ashyn, that's how it works now with the illness based magic, but who knows if that's how it always worked. Even if it was it doesn't preclude humanity on Roshar from moving from there. They don't have to be from Ashyn originally, just before they were on Roshar. Braize is too cold for life. Braize fits into the story much better as damnation. Especially since I would bet it is where the Heralds are "damned" to between Desolations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i’m in the details Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, thejopen27 said: I'm sure they do eat wild Chulls out in the Natan hills like is speculated by Shallan at one point, but a giant apex predator makes more sense if it spend most of it's life cycle in the ocean. As for Ashyn, that's how it works now with the illness based magic, but who knows if that's how it always worked. Even if it was it doesn't preclude humanity on Roshar from moving from there. They don't have to be from Ashyn originally, just before they were on Roshar. Braize is too cold for life. Braize fits into the story much better as damnation. Especially since I would bet it is where the Heralds are "damned" to between Desolations. There’s a theory that damnation and the tranquil halls are one in the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejopen27 Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) I disagree with that theory, at least if they're both Braize. Edited October 22, 2017 by thejopen27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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