shadowwisp Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) You guys remember the weird spren following Eshonai in the WoR described as a yellow comet? I highly suspect that this is the same spren leading Parshmen to Eshonai. Based on the latest chapter, it seems like the yellow spren has reached a level of sentience equivalent to Syl. But the only way for spren (with some exceptions) to reach that level of sentience is a nahel bond. None of the Parshmen seem like a good candidate and I find it hard to believe that a spren found a newly awakened Parshmen and started the bonding process that quickly. Edit: I have trouble finding the cometspren described as yellow but WoR is large book. Either way, I still stand by my theory. Edited October 17, 2017 by shadowwisp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormingTexan Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 16 minutes ago, shadowwisp said: But the only way for spren (with some exceptions) to reach that level of sentience is a nahel bond. Unless the Everstorm has something to do with speeding this up. Even Syl seems to have increased her intelligence more rapidly in the Oathbringer chapters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarion Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 So I was just thinking about this. We've seen that even early in the bond, Syl could travel some distance from Kaladin. And the Willshaper Spren, the best fit for Eshonai, might be able to travel further (Because otherwise, Transportation as a surge could get quite dangerous). I could totally see Eshonai's spren guiding her people, even while Eshonai is under Odium's influence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I find the idea interesting, but I don't think that it is likely. Weren´t there more yellow spren around, who escorted other groups of parshmen to Kaladins ganchos? If Yellowspren is Eshonais cometspren, she brought her cometbuddies with her, and I find that unlikely. KR-spren seems to be out alone. Syl, Pattern. Wyndle... they all came alone, without support from their kin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozndevl Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 We don't know what kind of Voidspren led the other Parsh-people to the group. Quote They’d picked up other groups in the last few days, led by unseen Voidspren that he was told darted away once their charges were delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarion Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, frozndevl said: We don't know what kind of Voidspren led the other Parsh-people to the group. Is there anything ruling out the possibility of one spren, flitting between the groups? It's largely invisible to Kaladin, so it could be pointing them in a direction, and then flitting to the next group to course correct them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozndevl Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tarion said: Is there anything ruling out the possibility of one spren, flitting between the groups? It's largely invisible to Kaladin, so it could be pointing them in a direction, and then flitting to the next group to course correct them. I'd say that Syl would tell him if it was the same spren delivering each of the groups. Or, true, the "told him" line could be by the Parsh-people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowwisp Posted October 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: I find the idea interesting, but I don't think that it is likely. Weren´t there more yellow spren around, who escorted other groups of parshmen to Kaladins ganchos? If Yellowspren is Eshonais cometspren, she brought her cometbuddies with her, and I find that unlikely. KR-spren seems to be out alone. Syl, Pattern. Wyndle... they all came alone, without support from their kin. I was under the impression that it was just one spren darting between groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I doubt it is the same spren, or spren with different looks, or of a different type. Syl would have told Kaladin about them, in that case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Portz Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, shadowwisp said: You guys remember the weird spren following Eshonai in the WoR described as a yellow comet? I highly suspect that this is the same spren leading Parshmen to Eshonai. Based on the latest chapter, it seems like the yellow spren has reached a level of sentience equivalent to Syl. But the only way for spren (with some exceptions) to reach that level of sentience is a nahel bond. None of the Parshmen seem like a good candidate and I find it hard to believe that a spren found a newly awakened Parshmen and started the bonding process that quickly. Edit: I have trouble finding the cometspren described as yellow but WoR is large book. Either way, I still stand by my theory. No yellow sprens, neither in TWoK nor in WoR ... searched for "yellow" in my Kindle versions ... its mostly about vine, scarfs, cloaks and shalebarks ... Edited October 17, 2017 by Michael Portz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymeros Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I don't think it's the same type of Spren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarion Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 28 minutes ago, Michael Portz said: No yellow sprens, neither in TWoK nor in WoR ... searched for "yellow" in my Kindle versions ... its mostly about vine, scarfs, cloaks and shalebarks ... So I found the quotes. It's never described as "Yellow" in WoR. It's only described as "cometlike". Which... isn't helpful. I was picturing it as yellow, but there's nothing objective to it Eshonai waved her hand as she climbed the central spire of Narak, trying to shoo away the tiny spren. It danced around her head, shedding rings of light from its cometlike form. Horrid thing. Why would it not leave her alone? ... That rhythm! It sounded like . . . like her own voice yelling at her. Screaming in pain. What was that? She shook her head, and found that she had reflexively pulled her hand to her chest in anxiety. When she opened it, the cometlike spren shot out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 It's interesting the yellow spren is sentient without being bonded to anyone from what we know so far. 1 hour ago, Toaster Retribution said: KR-spren seems to be out alone. Syl, Pattern. Wyndle... they all came alone, without support from their kin. Both Pattern and Wyndle had help, Ivory and Syl came on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, Aleksiel said: It's interesting the yellow spren is sentient without being bonded to anyone from what we know so far. Both Pattern and Wyndle had help, Ivory and Syl came on their own. Pattern and Wyndle got sent by their kin, but no one accompanied them to their chosen proto-radiant. The other spren stayed at home and cheered them on, basically. To have other spren of the same kind actually follow a KR-spren into the PR and help them achieve some sort of goal would be unprecedented, going by what we have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, Toaster Retribution said: Pattern and Wyndle got sent by their kin, but no one accompanied them to their chosen proto-radiant. The other spren stayed at home and cheered them on, basically. To have other spren of the same kind actually follow a KR-spren into the PR and help them achieve some sort of goal would be unprecedented, going by what we have seen. Ah, sorry, I misunderstood you then. Well, Pattern was followed by Cryptics Shallan saw in her drawings, though that's different, they weren't in the PR as you pointed. Radiant spren are mindless in PR without a bond, which might to not be the case for voidspren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbour Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Am i the only one who foresee the fight between Syl and this Voidspren in OB or, if not, the Voidspren being Kaladin's personal friend/foe in the following books? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkDesperado Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Personally I don't think we should assume Voidspern follow all of the same rules of other spern, they likely do but considering how different the Parshmen have been from what was expected I don't think it's safe to assume anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Portz Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I doubt the yellow spren is a voidspren at all; she is all for fighting, but I don't sense any hatred, which I would expect from Odiums sprens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bo.montier Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Michael Portz said: I doubt the yellow spren is a voidspren at all; she is all for fighting, but I don't sense any hatred, which I would expect from Odiums sprens. Syl knew enough of the Cryptics to know they were distasteful, but not evil. I trust her, in this, to know the voidspren from the good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazBolt Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Whats with the yellow stones coming up to act as footing? Sounds Thunderclast-y to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Portz Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, bo.montier said: Syl knew enough of the Cryptics to know they were distasteful, but not evil. I trust her, in this, to know the voidspren from the good. I concur; forgot about Syl's explicit identification. Perhaps there are likable voidsprens then, quite like distasteful honor/cultiviation sprens :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 What if it's both a voidspren and a radiantspren? One of the unmade is Sja-Anat, and was implied to be able to somehow corrupt radiantspren (they started acting weirdly after being touched by Sja-Anat, though I don't think the extent of corruption was ever said). Could this spren be a corrupted stoneward-spren? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, Patrick Star said: One of the unmade is Sja-Anat, and was implied to be able to somehow corrupt radiantspren Pretty sure it just said "Spren," rather than specifically Nahel Spren. Granted, that doesn't rule out Radiant Spren... It'd be an interesting idea either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, The One Who Connects said: Pretty sure it just said "Spren," rather than specifically Nahel Spren. Granted, that doesn't rule out Radiant Spren... It'd be an interesting idea either way Yeah, looks like you're right. I just forgot the details. Still, I'm curious to see how this ends up going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkDesperado Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, bo.montier said: Syl knew enough of the Cryptics to know they were distasteful, but not evil. I trust her, in this, to know the voidspren from the good. Agreed. 37 minutes ago, Michael Portz said: I doubt the yellow spren is a voidspren at all; she is all for fighting, but I don't sense any hatred, which I would expect from Odiums sprens. I have to disagree, I don't think we should doubt Syl's judgement based on a single, vague conversation. Plus, if it is a Voidspern, we can't assume it would be upfront with it's nature or even necessarily hateful. If we assume that it should be outright hateful immediately we assume that the Voidspern share a far too similar personality, the KR spren we have seen thus far have varied quite a bit and not all have been exactly what their first impressions would have one believe so it's safe to assume the Voidspern would have some variety and personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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