CaptainRyan Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Does anyone else think Frost might also be Drephrast, god of the Sho Del? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, CaptainRyan said: Does anyone else think Frost might also be Drephrast, god of the Sho Del? It's highly possible. Not enough to go off of, but him letting Jerrick go at the end there does seem suspicious. Also there's the similarity between Frost and Drephrast. Edited October 23, 2017 by The Invested Beard 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 minute ago, The Invested Beard said: It's highly possible. Not enough to go off of, but him letting Jerrick go at the end there does seem suspicious. Also there's the similarity between Frost and Drephrast. On top of that, I thought someone mentioned to Jerrick (after he had been a bridgeman for a bit) that Drephrast had only started showing up recently. You know, coincidentally right around when Frost showed up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 So that's what Tzai blows are! I'd seen a vague reference to them once in a WoB; it's good to know see what they actually do. The Realmatic Theory is interesting (and I think it's still a reliable source, even though the book isn't publishable, because this is the foundation that Brandon has been building his other books on). We get the gods mentioned again - that reminds me of some old discussions about the Liar of Partinel sample chapters, which had dead gods. I wonder who these gods are, if the Lords mentioned in Dragonsteel are the same as the gods in Liar (and Brandon just pushed their deaths forward chronologically to that point), or if they're two separate groups. And where, if it all, does Adonalsium fit into those? The fundamentals of magic seem very different than what we see in canon books. There's no direct Investiture, nothing being drawn from a Shard, only people applying their Cognitive aspects so far (either to move molecules, plant illusions in minds, or break Spiritual aspects). I wonder if that's something that changed fundamentally with the Shattering of Adonalsium, or if Yolen at this point would even follow the same Realmatics as the rest of the cosmere proper that we see later. (Or if the rest of the cosmere even exists at this point. Let's be very careful in what we assume.) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 This may be the end of the Dragonsteel chapters for us... but at least we got quite a show in these last two! A dragon, better understanding of Dragonsteel, an exhibition of Tzai martial ar- Magic!, and a small info dump on the three realms, including a nice bit on the Spiritual Realm. Now I REALLY want to visit Utah again, Beautiful canyons, arches, interesting rock shapes... oh, and a certain master's thesis, if I'm VERY lucky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Pagerunner said: The fundamentals of magic seem very different than what we see in canon books. There's no direct Investiture, nothing being drawn from a Shard, only people applying their Cognitive aspects so far (either to move molecules, plant illusions in minds, or break Spiritual aspects). I wonder if that's something that changed fundamentally with the Shattering of Adonalsium, or if Yolen at this point would even follow the same Realmatics as the rest of the cosmere proper that we see later. (Or if the rest of the cosmere even exists at this point. Let's be very careful in what we assume.) Or maybe pre-Shattering the Investiture was mostly freely to be tapped without high Connections (not for an hard rule but simply for a pratical situation). After all NOW, you have to have a strong Connection to a Shard. But back then, Adonalsium was almost everything...Probably you was deeply connected with him by default. So everyone could be a proto-magicuser Edited October 24, 2017 by Yata 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 For my own headcanon, I'm just going with assuming that overall worldbuilding is going to be pretty much the same. But seriously, if an artist would mind doing a Dragon, that would be awesome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 4 hours ago, Steeldancer said: For my own headcanon, I'm just going with assuming that overall worldbuilding is going to be pretty much the same. But seriously, if an artist would mind doing a Dragon, that would be awesome. I haven't drawn anything for quite some time but I did like to draw dragons back in the day. Maybe I should get back into it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterAhlstrom Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 On 10/19/2017 at 11:55 PM, Kingsdaughter613 said: Yes, you can go to BYU and take it out of the library. Sadly, you cannot request that it be sent to another school - I've tried!!!! Considers taking a trip to Utah to read Dragonsteel at the BYU library... suspects all copies will be checked out when she arrives... Last time we talked to the library about it, in 2013, the book was supposed to be available via Interlibrary Loan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Wow! @PeterAhlstrom saw my post! Thanks for the info. I’ll have to try again then. Last time Hofstra said BYU wouldn’t loan it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 On 10/24/2017 at 2:18 AM, Yata said: Or maybe pre-Shattering the Investiture was mostly freely to be tapped without high Connections (not for an hard rule but simply for a pratical situation). After all NOW, you have to have a strong Connection to a Shard. But back then, Adonalsium was almost everything...Probably you was deeply connected with him by default. So everyone could be a proto-magicuser I was my understanding that pre-Shattering magic was not Investiture-based as it is now. I think there is a WoB about that. But there's little to nothing about it that is fully canon. So are Dragons shape-shifters? That does not sound very Brandon. My own headcanon is, that Dragons relate to the Cognitive and Spiritual realms differently than humans do, but not necessarily better or worse. Rather, different, much like we see the Parshendi or Aimians. (What actually comes to mind is Zerg vs Protoss) In that vein of pure speculation, I can see them wearing a kind of Cognitive Realm mask. So, not physical shape shifting, but Cognitive thought-shape-shifting. Or perhaps a mask in the Spiritual Realm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, ZenBossanova said: I was my understanding that pre-Shattering magic was not Investiture-based as it is now. I think there is a WoB about that. But there's little to nothing about it that is fully canon. So are Dragons shape-shifters? That does not sound very Brandon. My own headcanon is, that Dragons relate to the Cognitive and Spiritual realms differently than humans do, but not necessarily better or worse. Rather, different, much like we see the Parshendi or Aimians. (What actually comes to mind is Zerg vs Protoss) In that vein of pure speculation, I can see them wearing a kind of Cognitive Realm mask. So, not physical shape shifting, but Cognitive thought-shape-shifting. Or perhaps a mask in the Spiritual Realm. The only problem with it not being physical is the problem of physical size and interactions with the world around them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 19 minutes ago, The Invested Beard said: The only problem with it not being physical is the problem of physical size and interactions with the world around them. That might be a problem if the mask is in the Cognitive Realm, but if it is in the Spiritual Realm, then it could be a natural consequence, because the Spiritual directs the Physical. It would be a kind of Forgery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, ZenBossanova said: That might be a problem if the mask is in the Cognitive Realm, but if it is in the Spiritual Realm, then it could be a natural consequence, because the Spiritual directs the Physical. It would be a kind of Forgery. I'm still unclear on this. How would a non-physical change make it so that a giant dragon body could fit in a human sized room through a human sized door, etc.? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Invested Beard said: I'm still unclear on this. How would a non-physical change make it so that a giant dragon body could fit in a human sized room through a human sized door, etc.? If you recall, Forgery (as used in The Emperor's Soul) could make profound physical changes, by giving an artificial Spiritual Connection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Ah okay I misunderstood, I thought it was being proposed that the dragon wasn't actually physically changing shape, rather than the method being non-physical. Carry on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpsmith Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) On 10/30/2017 at 1:40 PM, ZenBossanova said: In that vein of pure speculation, I can see them wearing a kind of Cognitive Realm mask. So, not physical shape shifting, but Cognitive thought-shape-shifting. Or perhaps a mask in the Spiritual Realm Might be, or given how knowledgeable Frost is in the use of REDACTED(well beg pardon REDACTED) he could be using that, after all he said it himself: "The Essence of REDACTED is to make alterations to the physical by using Cognitive energy"so he and his Brethren might be able to do that to their own bodies. Edited June 22, 2018 by Chaos Redacting things Dragonsteel Entertainment want redacted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) On 1/11/2018 at 1:55 PM, Warpsmith said: Might be, or given how knowledgeable Frost is in the use of REDACTED(well beg pardon REDACTED) he could be using that, after all he said it himself: "The Essence of REDACTED is to make alterations to the physical by using Cognitive energy"so he and his Brethren might be able to do that to their own bodies. Yup, cosmere shapeshifting mechanics. Edited June 22, 2018 by Chaos Redacting things Dragonsteel Entertainment want redacted 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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