Nymeros Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, 17th Splinter said: 5. Parshendi either have new form, or workform Probably a new form? I don't think workform has carapace at all. Also, literally the thing that caught my attention the most here was that we finally learned that Listeners have very thick strands of hair. Dang. Every time Eshonai said "hair strands" in WoR....I was annoyed. Just say hair Eshonai! But now we know their hair is very differently textured, so. I'm a black guy so in my head, I see the Listeners hair as being similar to small plaits or micro braids. Edited September 26, 2017 by Nymeros 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post +robardin Posted September 26, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: Card-playing form? Dealerform is used to play Twenty-One; Shuffle, cut, and distribute the cards. Counting cards must not be done: Lest the House lose its advantage of odds. Edited September 26, 2017 by robardin 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yulerule Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Regarding Shallan, and multiple personalities. We've seen plenty of examples of the Surges being used physically, in the Physical realm. But I think they can also be used semi- subconsciously. Kaladin has Gravitation, people gravitate to him - Even Elokhar recognizes that he's a natural leader. Dalinar and Kaladin are both leaders and both have Adhesion. Shallan is transforming herself, and also lying to herself (illusion) that the transformations aren't just another aspect of herself, but are different. She is the one that practices being Veil, after all. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent34 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Steeldancer said: Is no one going to pay attention to the whole "if I die, they'll send another one" thing? Is pattern replaceable? Is... syl... replaceable????? This is huge. I thought if you killed a spren, that was IT. But apparently another one would come. That is downright disturbing. I imagine it depends on the spren type. Cryptics seemed less emotional about their bonding (more of a test/obligation) while Syl decided to go against orders and bond. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, Agent34 said: I imagine it depends on the spren type. Cryptics seemed less emotional about their bonding (more of a test/obligation) while Syl decided to go against orders and bond. I imagine Dalinar definetly wouldn't be able to do something like that. His spren cares too much about oaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+robardin Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 46 minutes ago, bleeder said: The Shallan/Adolin stuff is good, though I worry about her taking up too many personas and possibly losing track of who she really is. No worries. She'll just imagine up a version of Shallan Radiant who can keep track of them all. If that's too difficult, she can first imagine a version of herself capable of imagining it. Bootstrapping FTW! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymeros Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Agent34 said: I imagine it depends on the spren type. Cryptics seemed less emotional about their bonding (more of a test/obligation) while Syl decided to go against orders and bond. Exacta. The cryptics planned to create a radiant....they chose Shallan specifically for a reason and Patterns bosses are unlikely to let the matter drop. Syl isn't apart of some spren plan....she just digs Kaladin 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbour Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Well, Adolin, this attempt to give a hint to Shallan that the first killer was you, has failed cause of transparency. Keep trying cause i feel that storm is coming. Everything is too good for both of you and you are too often say each other that you dont want to screw your relatonships up. I bet you both gonna screw your relationships up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kari-no-sugata Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: Is no one going to pay attention to the whole "if I die, they'll send another one" thing? Is pattern replaceable? Is... syl... replaceable????? This is huge. I thought if you killed a spren, that was IT. But apparently another one would come. That is downright disturbing. I don't think that's the meaning. Pattern told Shallan that they worked in a group to send him over. He expected to die right from the start it seems. So the Cryptics would presumably pick another Cryptic else to send over but that spren would not be Pattern or like Pattern. Spren might have some kind of hive mind but they are individuals as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 33 minutes ago, robardin said: IT IS FORBIDDEN Well, it's inappropriate anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, robardin said: No worries. She'll just imagine up a version of Shallan Radiant who can keep track of them all. If that's too difficult, she can first imagine a version of herself capable of imagining it. Bootstrapping FTW! Radiant-ception? Perceptionception? Personaception? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17th Splinter Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: I imagine Dalinar definetly wouldn't be able to do something like that. His spren cares too much about oaths. Random thought - What happens when Syl meets the Stormfather? She disobeyed him to bond Kaladin. What happens? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yulerule Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Also Wyndle complained incessantly about being sent by committee to bond with Lift. Different spren orders have different methods. I feel Kaladin and Syl are the most friendly combination. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 1 minute ago, 17th Splinter said: Random thought - What happens when Syl meets the Stormfather? She disobeyed him to bond Kaladin. What happens? Not much. Stormfather is grumpy, but he is kind of a pushover. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 I think my biggest take-aways from these chapters is what @Pagerunneralready mentioned about the similarities between what Shallan is doing, and forging (I specifically thought of Shai during the creation of "Brightness Radiant") The second is that, as far as I can tell, these new formed Parshmen, while freed of slave form, are still completely unfamiliar with the Rhythms. I'm guessing they can access them, but don't know how. Theres no mention of the cadence of their speech being off. Their voices are indistinguishable from human. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, Toaster Retribution said: Not much. Stormfather is grumpy, but he is kind of a pushover. Especially when it comes down to oaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kari-no-sugata Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, robardin said: No worries. She'll just imagine up a version of Shallan Radiant who can keep track of them all. If that's too difficult, she can first imagine a version of herself capable of imagining it. Bootstrapping FTW! Sounds like the infinite improbability drive! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 19 minutes ago, 17th Splinter said: Truespren? where is that mentioned? At Navani and Dalinar's wedding, by the Stormfather Quote There are no foolish oaths. All are the mark of men and true spren over beasts and subspren. The mark of intelligence, free will, and choice. The implication, to me, is that all spren capable of forming bonds, or of achieving sapience, are true spren, while everyother spren (life-, rot-, shame-, pain-, rain-, fire-, glory-, etc) are subspren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+robardin Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 17th Splinter said: Random thought - What happens when Syl meets the Stormfather? She disobeyed him to bond Kaladin. What happens? It'll be like in that video by Madonna for "Papa Don't Preach" that ends in a hug. "But I've made up my mind, I'm keepin' my Radiant" Edited September 26, 2017 by robardin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17th Splinter Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, Stark said: At Navani and Dalinar's wedding, by the Stormfather The implication, to me, is that all spren capable of forming bonds, or of achieving sapience, are true spren, while everyother spren (life-, rot-, shame-, pain-, rain-, fire-, glory-, etc) are subspren. Ohhh. Silly of me to forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, robardin said: It'll be like in that video by Madonna for "Papa Don't Preach" that ends in a hug A... spren hug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciridae Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 These have been my favorite chapters so far, and Pattern continues to be my favorite spren. I was hoping to see more of Veil, but Adolin and Shallan are adorable so I'm fine with waiting another week. Kaladin keeps the cliffhangers coming, I'm loving where that story is going. So it seems like this group of Listeners is being guided and watched over by a Voidspren, that's so fascinating. And I do think it's a voidspren, the shrill voice and calling those listeners fools doesn't make me think it's one of the good guys. I expected there to be one or two voidforms in command of a group of non-voidform Listeners. This is really cool though, a free spren can be so much more versatile, as we've seen. But now I'm left wondering where it came from. The spren seems very intelligent, so either it's been a while since the spren has crossed over and it has gained sapience through some form of bond, like all the nahel spren do, or there is some mechanism we are not aware of that grants sapience to spren in the physical realm. Maybe it's a critical mass thing, the Stormfather and Nightwatcher are sapient after all, even without being bonded. Either way, I'm very excited about this yellow ribbon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elena Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Gotta love Shallan making an effort to appreciate Adolin trying to be 'broad-minded', all the while being slightly put-off she's being compared to peasants. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent34 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, Elena said: Gotta love Shallan making an effort to appreciate Adolin trying to be 'broad-minded', all the while being slightly put-off she's being compared to peasants. She's the one thinking of darkeyes as peasants. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 I'm still feeling the whole Shadolin thing. So adorbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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