Popular Post Toaster Retribution Posted August 23, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Stupid question: if you spiked a beaver, would it be able to understand how to use its powers, and in that case, could you create a terrifying Fullborn beaver overlord? 53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Yes, Yes, and Yes. Beware the dam of invincibility. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AbsentKeeper Posted August 24, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) On 8/23/2017 at 6:35 PM, Toaster Retribution said: Stupid question: if you spiked a beaver, would it be able to understand how to use its powers, and in that case, could you create a terrifying Fullborn beaver overlord? I would think that you could, and that they would be able to instinctively use thier abilities to use basic Allomancy and Feruchemy, but I doubt you could teach the beaver to compound, unless maybe you supplied it with a pre-filled zinc mind, and then explained before it was tapped out. But then you have problems like where the beaver is going to get metals, whether it would have any inclination to rule, and how to handle the massive deforestation caused by a hungry beaver compounding zinc and steel. Also, you would have to spend years systematically murdering beavers in the hopes of discovering their Hemalurgic bindpoints. Edited January 28, 2018 by Cowmanthethird Spelling 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evilcat Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Well, most untrained Allomancers have an instinctive ability to use their metals without knowing what they're doing, so I expect the beaver would have at least some degree of control. Also, depending on when this happened, Ruin might be able to instruct the beaver in using its powers, which would be pretty troubling. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brgst13 Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Greatest. Thread. Ever. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkrunner Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Well, humans need three spikes for Harmony to "interfere," but kandra only need two. Since beavers are small rodents, they would probably only need one to be taken over by a soother or rioter or harmony. I think if you wanted a beaver that could consciously use it's powers, it would probably need to have access to both zinc and copper from a very young age, so that it is imprinted with it's hemallurgic abilities. An adult beaver that has lived it's whole life without hemalurgy would not have the part of it's brain developed that it would use for it's powers, like if someone was born without a limb but got a prosthetic, they would not know how to operate with it. I think it is possible, but it would be very complicated. Step 1) Spike some baby beavers with zinc and copper. Step 2) Spike their offspring with the same. Step 3) Teach it (3d gen imprinted spiked beaver) to use hemalurgy through example and access to copperminds of beavers using hemalurgy from a very early age. It should be able to use hemalurgy consciously, now. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Toaster Retribution Posted August 24, 2017 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 We have now discussed mind-controlling, spiking, murdering and the breeding and spiking of baby beavers... wonder if we could be reported for planned animal cruelty... 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsentKeeper Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 59 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: We have now discussed mind-controlling, spiking, murdering and the breeding and spiking of baby beavers... wonder if we could be reported for planned animal cruelty... Hmm they can search me all they want, but they won't find any spikes... *throws out cookies* 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Toaster Retribution said: We have now discussed mind-controlling, spiking, murdering and the breeding and spiking of baby beavers... wonder if we could be reported for planned animal cruelty... Well we haven't discussed spiking unborn beavers yet, and that's clearly an option. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=979#4 Quote SATSUONI () From which stage of development does human embryo on Scadrial gain Hemalurgic potential? BRANDON SANDERSON Conception. See? We're not monsters. Yet. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 An army of inquisitorial beavers. Hmm... lumber empire here we come. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy92 Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 New spinoff of The Angry Beavers could be in play here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsentKeeper Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Calderis said: Well we haven't discussed spiking unborn beavers yet, and that's clearly an option. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=979#4 See? We're not monsters. Yet. I wonder if spiking the beaver while it was still forming in the womb would allow the spiritweb to heal more thoroughly than that of a spiked adult beaver? Perhaps this would allow a more intuitive understanding of the abilities. And now we are. Edited August 25, 2017 by Cowmanthethird 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evilcat Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, Cowmanthethird said: I wonder if spiking the beaver while it was still forming in the womb would allow the spiritweb to heal more thoroughly than that of a spiked adult beaver? Perhaps this would allow a more intuitive understanding of the abilities. And now we are. The challenge with spiking while in the womb is that it would be very difficult to do so without killing the mother, or disrupting the growth of the unborn beaver. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dr_Evilcat said: The challenge with spiking while in the womb is that it would be very difficult to do so without killing the mother, or disrupting the growth of the unborn beaver. It may be difficult, but you can only gain great reward with great effort!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) There are ways of doing surgery in-utero, so I don't see why we couldn't spike someone in-utero... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_surgery Edited August 25, 2017 by Kingsdaughter613 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkrunner Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Roadwalker said: It's begun! To catch a man like that would have required Feruchemical steel! All hail out beaver overlord! Edited August 25, 2017 by Calderis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 34 minutes ago, Roadwalker said: 7 minutes ago, Calderis said: It's begun! To catch a man like that would have required Feruchemical steel! All hail out beaver overlord! Feruchemical pewter + Feruchemchal steel = *Gasp* The Lord Beaver has ascended!! By the Lord Beaver Ikea will fall!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted August 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 By the way guys, do you think our beaver might be known as Deaths pet, since it will spiked and look scary, just like Death aka Ironeyes, aka Marsh? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsentKeeper Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Toaster Retribution said: By the way guys, do you think our beaver might be known as Deaths pet, since it will spiked and look scary, just like Death aka Ironeyes, aka Marsh? Only if we were to give it eye spikes for steelsight. That is Marsh's signature look, after all. Edited August 26, 2017 by Cowmanthethird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 4 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said: By the way guys, do you think our beaver might be known as Deaths pet, since it will spiked and look scary, just like Death aka Ironeyes, aka Marsh? If we are doing this, we should use a different rodent. Say... a rat? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeshadow227 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 ...Okay...this thread has discussed murdering and mind-controlling magical beavers, as well as a temporary dive into the topic of embryos...we have crossed the boundary into "OH GOD NO" levels of theorizing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Shadeshadow227 said: ...Okay...this thread has discussed murdering and mind-controlling magical beavers, as well as a temporary dive into the topic of embryos...we have crossed the boundary into "OH GOD NO" levels of theorizing. There are other levels? I thought this was it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Yeah, we are really desperate for Oathvember. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkrunner Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Novembringer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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