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Toaster Retribution

Sleepless Radiants

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I started thinking about the possibility of Aimian KRs. If we assume that Aimians are like the Listeners, it would probably be possible for them to become KRs.

So, interesting thought experimemt: if a Dysian Aimian became a KR, would all its cremlings gain Surgebinding powers, or would it just be the main body? 

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What exactly constitutes the "main body"? If one of the hordelings composing Arclo's avatar-body was destroyed I don't think it'd be any different to another one outside of the body getting destroyed beyond any difference in specialised function.

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I don't know if they can become Radiants, but I doubt it. Which sucks because they would be the coolest thing ever. 

The reason I lean towards no is because of their nature as a hive mind. This make me thing they are a much more heavily spiritual being than anything else we've seen in the Cosmere, existing with a single Cognitive aspect, connected to each individual cremling so heavily that the cremlings act in accordance to the will of the single Cognitive aspect regardless of distance. 

The Nahel bond relies on a cracked soul, which I think would be much more devastating a problem for the Cognitive/Spiritual nature of the sleepless than it is for the primarily Physical nature of humans.

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Siah Aimians, maybe. I wouldn't peg Axies as one, but I think it's possible.

Dysian Aimians... if they can, it'd be main body only, and it'd be... unusual. We know spiking a Hordeling would change it enough to disconnect it from the hivemind. I feel that a Nahel bond would do the same.

That said, if they can replace their Hordelings.. Then they may be able to use new Hordelings after becoming a KR, but this is all manner of unknowns.

Edit: Arclo says that he can grow new Hordelings if he needs to. Ones with more eyes/antennae to see/hear/taste, etc... so at least that's viable

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22 minutes ago, Calderis said:

The reason I lean towards no is because of their nature as a hive mind. This make me thing they are a much more heavily spiritual being than anything else we've seen in the Cosmere, existing with a single Cognitive aspect, connected to each individual cremling so heavily that the cremlings act in accordance to the will of the single Cognitive aspect regardless of distance. 

 

Wouldn't every single cremling have a CR manifestation though? They should exist as ideas or something? Or am I wrong?

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Just now, Toaster Retribution said:

Wouldn't every single cremling have a CR manifestation though? They should exist as ideas or something? Or am I wrong?

I don't know, but I picture them as more individual cells in a body spread over a greater distance than ours, not truly individual beings. 

I'd like to know the answer. 

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19 minutes ago, Calderis said:

I don't know, but I picture them as more individual cells in a body spread over a greater distance than ours, not truly individual beings. 

I'd like to know the answer. 

So your theory is that their CR manifestation a very spread out body? It sounds plausible, but I'm still not sure. It would be nice to find out how a Sleepless cremling looks in the CR...

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7 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said:

So your theory is that their CR manifestation a very spread out body? It sounds plausible, but I'm still not sure. It would be nice to find out how a Sleepless cremling looks in the CR...

No. I mean that I don't know if you'll see each individual cremling in the Cognitive Realm. 

A person exists in the Cognitive as a single floating flame. There isn't a separate representation for their fingers and toes and eyes. 

The cremling are basically parts of a larger whole, so I think the consciousness will appear as a flame and the cremling just aren't seen. 

Alternatively, you could have little sparks in the CR and a larger flame for the consciousness that can basically jump around to any of the sparks that it wants to. 

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On 17 juli 2017 at 6:09 PM, Calderis said:

No. I mean that I don't know if you'll see each individual cremling in the Cognitive Realm. 

A person exists in the Cognitive as a single floating flame. There isn't a separate representation for their fingers and toes and eyes. 

The cremling are basically parts of a larger whole, so I think the consciousness will appear as a flame and the cremling just aren't seen. 

Alternatively, you could have little sparks in the CR and a larger flame for the consciousness that can basically jump around to any of the sparks that it wants to. 

This is a bit wierd... as far as I have understood the CR is built upon perception. Things exist in the CR because humans think about them in the PR, basically? And since most cremlings are seen in the PR (unless they are really goid at hiding) then they should manifest in the CR. That is at least how I see it, so I am in for option number 2 (unless I am misunderstanding the CR, which is fully possible).

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17 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said:

This is a bit wierd... as far as I have understood the CR is built upon perception. Things exist in the CR because humans think about them in the PR, basically? And since most cremlings are seen in the PR (unless they are really goid at hiding) then they should manifest in the CR. That is at least how I see it, so I am in for option number 2 (unless I am misunderstanding the CR, which is fully possible).

I think there's a distinction. Spren are personification of concepts and so effected by mass perception of that concept. 

Inanimate objects exist and are effected by the perception of conscious minds interacting with them. 

Living minds though appear as flames in Roshar, not beads or spren. If the "mind" controlling the cremling isn't actually in the same spot as the cremling, would it show up? 

Considering the way a hive mind works, I imagine it probably is closer to the second option. Even if the actual hive mind isn't present, there still has to be a smaller mind for the individual. I guess we'll have to wait and see though. 

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