Yvainnie Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Crazy theory but... So according to Arcanum Unbounded there was some fight on Threnody between Odium and Autonomy and we know that shades are cognitive shadows. And in Mistborn: Secret History Nazh mentioned that to became a shadow there are some requirements and traditions and what if Nazh is from pre-Evil Threnody and they are creating shades on purpose, to become sort of ascended or immortal but fight between Shards twisted them into shades. On Roshar influence of Odium is connected to red eyes and on Thenody if shades are enraged their eyes turn red so what if it means they are influenced by Odium in that moment and they attack. And in Bands of mourning Epilogue there is Faceless Immortal with red eyes that could also mean it is not kandra but cognitive shadow from Threnody under influence of Odium that Ire in Mistborn: Secret History were afraid of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Notice that if also Nazh is a pre-Evil Therenodite (very likely from the timeline) it would still be thousands of years younger than the battle between Odium and Ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 A small point. Red eyes do not mean Odium. Quote Q: Are all the red-eyed characters influenced by the same shard? A: No, but the red is significant. (it has meaning in the cosmere) [Source] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvainnie Posted April 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Yata said: Notice that if also Nazh is a pre-Evil Therenodite (very likely from the timeline) it would still be thousands of years younger than the battle between Odium and Ambition. And if it is the case? I mean he knows about making shades but not Odium influenced shades. I think they made congnitive shadows of purpose because of what he said in M:SH but that doesn't mean they have to be twisted yet. 59 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: A small point. Red eyes do not mean Odium. Nice. Thanks for clearing that up. I wonder what does mean that it is significant. Does it mean that causes for red eyes are somehow connected but not by one Shard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Hm. Maybe the red eyes are multiple shardic influences? Or maybe it's when something crosses its intent or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Does it have anything to do with the red stars? Maybe it's more than just redshift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvainnie Posted April 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 I don't know about red stars but in BoM they mention Red Haze? And according to what Wax see when he is talking to Harmony I think that it is visible sign of Shard attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Yvainnie said: I don't know about red stars but in BoM they mention Red Haze? And according to what Wax see when he is talking to Harmony I think that it is visible sign of Shard attack. You know that's a good point. Between talns scar (constellation of red stars), the red haze, the red eyes. I already proposed that the red stars are because of the shattering of adonalsium, and somebody else noted that threnodys star is also red, and ambition was wounded there. It's too late for me to figure it out, but I will definetly sleep on this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeonaRin Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Odium did not invest in any planet/system except for Roshar. And even that he was most probably made to do. He would not willingly give up some of his power. We know he fought Devotion and Dominion without doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvainnie Posted April 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Is there any way how connected red eyes to red stars, if it is not Odoum influence then it could be related to those stars? Shattering is good idea but how and where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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