Steeldancer Posted April 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Yeah the fainlife is a little far fetched, but the actual stars turning red. I'm jealous I missed that. Now just theorizing as to why the investiture might do that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 4 hours ago, The Flash said: Yeah the fainlife is a little far fetched Why is that far-fetched? Something that killed as much as it did on Yolen, is a significant danger. The one spot on the map where Yolen is suspected to be, is full of dying stars. Coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciridae Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) On 3/26/2017 at 5:09 PM, The Flash said: Spoiler I doubt that the mold made stars die, simply because as far as we know, it's a MOLD. And mold would greatly struggle getting anywhere near a star to fainify it. Because it's a star, and no matter what form this mold is in, I highly doubt that the mold wouldn't burn up. This, and followup fainlife/Yolen speculation Spoiler I don't doubt that fainlife would cause some major problems if a worldhopper were to accidentally bring back some skullmoss to their homeworld, but I have trouble thinking that it could infect a shard or even stars. As far as we know it can corrupt existing lifeforms but nothing indicates that it could threaten a shard. How do you infect a shard if you can only touch inanimate manifestations like a godmettal or a shardpool? I still think fainlife was the second wave of creation, kind of like a cagematch staged by Adonalsium to see which lifeform would make it. But the whole fainlife issue feels more like a cool part of Yolenese worldbuilding and a probable cause of conflict in Dragonsteel than a serious final threat to the cosmere. Yes it's dangerous, yes when Yolen is discovered it will cause conflict, but I just don't see fainlife being the Cosmeres final antagonist. I would be rather dissapointed it it were. I do think that the connection of destroyed shard, or at least massive releases of investiture, and red stars is super interesting and props to whoever first noticed it Edited April 12, 2017 by Ciridae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted April 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 I'm sorry for anyone who didn't read partinel, but fainlife is a MOLD. It can't corrupt people unless they eat it. So the only way for a star to get it would be to... eat it? A mold? It would instantly burn up in the star! Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING survives getting too close to a star! I don't care how magical this mold is, mold cannot survive that kind of temperature 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 4 hours ago, The Flash said: I'm sorry for anyone who didn't read partinel, but fainlife is a MOLD. It can't corrupt people unless they eat it. So the only way for a star to get it would be to... eat it? A mold? It would instantly burn up in the star! Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING survives getting too close to a star! I don't care how magical this mold is, mold cannot survive that kind of temperature I don't think we know that it's a mold, not to mention that the LoP chapters aren't actually canon yet (fainlife is, but the actual specifics may well change). It grows like a mold, sure, and I agree that it's likely it couldn't get near a star, but we really don't understand it. What if it took over an entire planet, and the orbit destabilized, and the entire planet crashed into the sun? A magical "mold" might well survive and be able to corrupt the gaseous components of the star. I'm very doubtful that that's what's actually going on, but I definitely don't think it's out of the realm of possibility entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted April 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Jondesu said: I don't think we know that it's a mold, not to mention that the LoP chapters aren't actually canon yet (fainlife is, but the actual specifics may well change). It grows like a mold, sure, and I agree that it's likely it couldn't get near a star, but we really don't understand it. What if it took over an entire planet, and the orbit destabilized, and the entire planet crashed into the sun? A magical "mold" might well survive and be able to corrupt the gaseous components of the star. I'm very doubtful that that's what's actually going on, but I definitely don't think it's out of the realm of possibility entirely. All I'm saying is its a little more likely that injured investiture (new term there) causes stars to turn red if not contained or released in some form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Well in the Non-Canon Lop it's mentioned that Fainlife killed Yolen's gods... Sounds like that mold is more than just mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciridae Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Calderis said: Well in the Non-Canon Lop it's mentioned that Fainlife killed Yolen's gods... Sounds like that mold is more than just mold. My memory is hazy on LoP but I thought it only said that gods had died on Yolen, not what actually killed them. But even if I am misremembering, Yolanese gods may not be what cosmere aware people might call gods, i. e. shards, but maybe a mortal with godlike powers like TLR. Most of the religions we have seen in the cosmere have an origin in mortals that have gained extraordinary power. Returned, TLR, Kelsier, Elantrians and the Heralds were all regular humans once. (Granted the heralds are not considered gods everywhere on Roshar and many actually worship the shards, but still). And in a world before the Shattering I would imagine that religions would have an even more mundane origin, as the shardic powers were presumably not as spread as they are in the modern cosmere. In addition we know that the closest thing to modern shards, Adonalsium, was killed by humans, not the skullmoss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 I didn't mean to imply it had killed shards. In that time frame there weren't shards yet. Thinking back on it I think their bodies may have been the source of the mold. I don't remember clearly, and I've got the sickness induced brain fog, so maybe I'll just observe for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) According to the original LoP, god died and the skullmoss (fainlife) grew out of them. And nothing anyone had found could stop it, except from some small circles were people could live. Whenever Christmas comes around, I hear one song as, "Baby, its mold outside". But that is just my mind. The fainlife also imitated life, somewhat. So, we know that the powers of Adonalsium as the people knew them, were in capable of stopping it. It grew from dead gods, and presumably killed them. It devastated Yolen, where Adonalsium lived. If something can do all that, and is that resistant to magic (that includes fire), then why can't it suck the life out of a star? I have heard (in other books, depending on the book) of balefire, which is magic burning. I imagine fainlife as Investiture molding. And that can include the investiture that is your own life spark. True, you are relatively safe if you don't eat it, but it still destroyed a world and the devotees of Adonalsium were unable to stop it. We know of a Shard that lives in a star, so stellar temperatures may not be enough to destroy something once magic is involved. Imagine of the Fainlife as the mold equivalent of Nightblood. It consumes Investiture, while being impervious to it. Edited April 13, 2017 by ZenBossanova 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted April 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 I Will note that part of the plotline of the chapters is that there is a way to defeat it, they just don't know what it is. So it's not invincible. Also doesn't burning get rid of it for a time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 On 4/11/2017 at 9:22 AM, Yata said: Honor is splintered too Yes, but there is a distinct remanant of him, in the form of the Stormfather. Maybe this is a release for the energy that turned the stars red? Alternatively, it could genuinely be a coincidence. Brandon almost never does coincidences, but he did say that he was surprised at how amazing Isaac made it. Isaac clearly came up with a lot of this on his own, and might have done things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmereAvair Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 Spoiler On 4/10/2017 at 1:01 PM, Just another guyn said: Spoiler I doubt that the mold made stars die, simply because as far as we know, it's a MOLD. And mold would greatly struggle getting anywhere near a star to fainify it. Because it's a star, and no matter what form this mold is in, I highly doubt that the mold wouldn't burn up. The only reason I thought that it could be possible is because maybe the Fainlife isn't just a mold, but something in the cognitive realm as well. Just a thought really, but i am going to Ad Astra up here in Canada, so maybe I will ask Brandon a question about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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