PallonianFire

Hoid and the Element

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So, through a thread in our Cosmere: Theories group on Facebook, I came to a realization. Not sure how much this has been explored before (it's clearly been somewhat considered, since there are WoBs that vaguely relate to it), but I think Hoid used that bead of Lerasium for a lot more than is obvious.

So Lerasium works by re-writing the Spirit Web to make someone an Allomancer. But we know from WoB that it can do more than that, if you know what you're doing:

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By burning it you gain access to those powers. It rewrites your spiritual DNA, and there are ways to do really cool things with lerasium that I don't see how anyone would know

Now, we also know that when Hoid grabbed the bead, he intended to use it to become an Allomancer (the obvious case):

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His bead? Hoid’s bead was—He originally got it because he wanted to be an Allomancer. [Note that he doesn’t actually answer the question.

The use of the word originally implies that his purpose changed. While I do think that Hoid used the bead to gain Allomancy—since he obviously acquired it somehow, and Lerasium is the only method we know of to do so—I think he also realized that he could use it to re-write his Spirit Web in other ways than that, and that he's gained much more than just Allomancy by ingesting it. It could be that, with the right knowledge, Hoid could make himself an Elantrian, or a Sand Master, or, basically, whatever. It would just take study to re-write his Spirit Web in those alternate ways.

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Personally I think it has something to do with trying to become an Elantrian. Or maybe we won't get the answer until the end of the first stormlight arc.

Ive got the feeling it's gonna be something pretty significant though! 

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Yeah, people have seized on the implication that lerasium's power is really 'rewrite your spiritweb' with 'become a Mistborn' being only its default setting as the basis for various theories as to what Hoid is using the bead for. One possibility that makes a certain amount of sense (given that we do see him using emotional Allomancy in Shallan's Middlefest flashback) is that he used a small amount of the lerasium to give himself specific Allomantic abilities he wants/needs and he's saving the rest for further research.

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21 minutes ago, Weltall said:

One possibility that makes a certain amount of sense (given that we do see him using emotional Allomancy in Shallan's Middlefest flashback) is that he used a small amount of the lerasium to give himself specific Allomantic abilities he wants/needs and he's saving the rest for further research.

Yeah, that's precisely what I think he's doing. And in the meantime, he's using the remaining Lerasium as a metalmind.

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I like this. I've been a supporter for some time of the idea he's only used it as a misting alloy so far but this is a good idea for why he'd be keeping it, better than my idea of wanting to create other mistings or not wanting to have too much connection to one Shard. It would still seem strange to me that Preservation's essence could grant connection to a different Shard but it's certainly an intriguing idea.

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What if using Lerasium rewrites your sDNA to give you connection to the world you are on at the time you use it? and therefore access to that world's investiture.

use it on Scadrial = Alloymancy

Use it on Sel = Selish power based on location at time of use.

Use it on Talidan = Sand Mastery

Etc. 

That would be something Hoid would be excited to have access to.

 

 

This would be in line with Atium via hemalurgy being able to steal all powers regardless of investiture.

i.e. Laresaium can grant (likely through a feruchemical process, but that just me)  all powers regardless of investiture.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Harmonium (likely by burning it as of the Southern Scadrian's vessels i.e. Allomantically) could being used to fuel  all powers regardless of investiture as well. But that gets into the realm of crazy.

NOTE: Only the use of Atium is confirmed the others are my speculations.

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How would Lerasium do this? In other words, how would it know what part of the spiritweb it was supposed to give you? Does it get infornmation from the Shard? (not 17th shard, the shard of the planet it's on)

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31 minutes ago, Figberts said:

How would Lerasium do this? In other words, how would it know what part of the spiritweb it was supposed to give you? Does it get infornmation from the Shard? (not 17th shard, the shard of the planet it's on)

Maybe the same way as Feruchemical duralumin is able to create a connection to the country you're in currently?

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Could it not be alloyed with other God metals, such as tanavastium to obtain an effect similar to alloying it with viable allomantic metals?

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3 hours ago, Itchy Savant said:

Could it not be alloyed with other God metals, such as tanavastium to obtain an effect similar to alloying it with viable allomantic metals?

In what proportion?  And how would you get that amount of tanavastium out of the Honorblade?

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I liked this idea @PallonianFire but there's a WoB from yesterday's signing on this (maybe it was asked in response to your theory).

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Q: Did Hoid use the bead of lerasium to rewrite his spiritual DNA in a way to give him something other than allomantic powers?

A: His goal was to become an allomancer.

Q: Yeah and did he use it to create other powers?

A: It could not give powers other than allomancy.

Q: Because it’s lerasium?

A: Yes.

Q: So he did burn it and become an allomancer.

A: Well you have seen him use allomancy…

Q: It’s creating a lot of confusion.

A: You have actually seen him use allomancy.

So it looks like a firm no on getting other powers. Interestingly it even sounds like it can't give feruchemical powers.

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32 minutes ago, Extesian said:

So it looks like a firm no on getting other powers. Interestingly it even sounds like it can't give feruchemical powers.

Lerasium seems to be confirmed as not giving other powers but... what about alloys of Lerasium? My best guess would be that an alloy of Lerasium could give Feruchemy but my wild guess would be that if you alloy Lerasium with the right stuff from other worlds then you could use the Lerasium alloy to gain any power.

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18 minutes ago, CaptainRyan said:

Lerasium seems to be confirmed as not giving other powers but... what about alloys of Lerasium? My best guess would be that an alloy of Lerasium could give Feruchemy but my wild guess would be that if you alloy Lerasium with the right stuff from other worlds then you could use the Lerasium alloy to gain any power.

It is possible but Brandon would really be doing some Aes Sedai-style trolling. It sounds pretty clear he's saying that's it's limits generally otherwise Hoid surely could have just done that. But I've seen more misleading WoBs before, bless him :)

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10 hours ago, Extesian said:

It is possible but Brandon would really be doing some Aes Sedai-style trolling.

As Oversleep revealed to us, Brandon has been studying Lightsong's methods and has started engaging in trolling-by-proxy so I wouldn't put it past him. xD

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Haha yeah, I had a Polish guy from my Facebook group ask the question. Definitely a bummer, but like people said, Brandon did leave some wiggle room there.

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