Farnsworth Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 In all planets besides Roshar, dirt is just dirt. Only on Roshar is it called crem. This cannot be a random name for ordinary dirt, so here's my theory. Crem is like mist, in the sense that it's the physical manifestation of a shard. Since the Highstorms are Honor, I think Crem is cultivation. Ideas? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brgst13 Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Crem is just dirt, except that it falls during Highstorms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 I think crem is more of a ceramic, clay-like thing. For example, Dalinar orders the scratches in the ground filled with crem. You wouldn't fill them with dirt, but you might fill it with clay. Anyway, we already know the physical manisfestation of Honor and Cultivation- shardblades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 The highstorms are invested by both Honor and Cultivation. This has been fairly strongly implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciridae Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 I think Brandon has said that he needed to implement some in-world mechanic to explain why Roshar hasn't been eroded away by the highstorms. Hence crem sedimentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jofwu Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Brgst13 said: Crem is just dirt, except that it falls during Highstorms. Can't be quite that simple. Dirt doesn't become hard as stone when you dry it out. I don't know if there's a direct WoB on it, but we have pretty strong reason to believe crem was around long before the Shards arrived. The highstorms existed before, and the crem seems to be a fairly natural thing. Therefore, I doubt it can be compared to Scadrial's mists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, jofwu said: Can't be quite that simple. Dirt doesn't become hard as stone when you dry it out. I don't know if there's a direct WoB on it, but we have pretty strong reason to believe crem was around long before the Shards arrived. The highstorms existed before, and the crem seems to be a fairly natural thing. Therefore, I doubt it can be compared to Scadrial's mists. Here. I think this breaks the theory. Quote LINDEL Crem and the Purelake on Roshar. Do they have any connection to Cultivation? BRANDON SANDERSON Both existed on the planet before Cultivation arrived. QUESTION But both are influenced by her now? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes, she influences both. Edited February 22, 2017 by Spoolofwhool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntaintedchild Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 I always thought Crem was calcium carbonate deposits like stalagmites/stalactites. Super hard after the rain evaporates. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedshaman Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 @Ciridae you are correct in brandon has said that it's an in world mechanic to explain why the Roshar continent hasn't eroded down to nothing with the constant highstorms. I can't remember exactly where it was but I watch a lot of his book signings and Q&A's on youtube and I'm pretty sure that's where I found it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted February 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 @Spoolofwhool So crem was originally uninvested, but now is? I like that idea. Thanks for the WOB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Figberts said: @Spoolofwhool So crem was originally uninvested, but now is? I like that idea. Thanks for the WOB! That's not what it said. It says she influences it. That could mean she's invested in it, or maybe that she can control the concentration of it in highstorm water, or something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 30 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: That's not what it said. It says she influences it. That could mean she's invested in it, or maybe that she can control the concentration of it in highstorm water, or something else. Or even simply that because now she is on Roshar, she kinda influences everything by some degree. Compare Scadrial where P&R permeated everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted February 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 How could crem be influenced by Cultivation? It's mud! Does it grow bigger plants or something? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 44 minutes ago, Figberts said: How could crem be influenced by Cultivation? It's mud! Does it grow bigger plants or something? I don't get it. Lots of ways. She could be embedded in every atom on Roshar, not unlike Ruin and Preservation were with Scadrial. She could be supervising the highstorms, directing the Stormfather as to where and how much crem gets laid down. And lastly, she could be enhancing the crem with nitrogen or other "good for plants" things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsidqiyah Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 in SA it does mention that seeds planted in the crem thrive better 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Tsidqiyah said: in SA it does mention that seeds planted in the crem thrive better Really? I only remember something about plants being watered with water from highstorm. Do you have a quote maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 3 hours ago, stonedshaman said: @Ciridae you are correct in brandon has said that it's an in world mechanic to explain why the Roshar continent hasn't eroded down to nothing with the constant highstorms. I can't remember exactly where it was but I watch a lot of his book signings and Q&A's on youtube and I'm pretty sure that's where I found it It was an earlier one Quote RYBAL How did you come up with the geography on Roshar? BRANDON SANDERSON The geography on Roshar was developed as a natural outgrowth of the highstorm, which was the first concept for Roshar, which was inspired by the storm of Jupiter, which was me wanting to tell a story about a world with a continual magical storm. And then I built the ecology and all of these things up from that. Roshar had to grow up--I had to find a mechanism by which stone was deposited by rain, because I felt that the constant weathering over that long of a time would leave no continents. So the crem was my kind of scientific-with-one-foot-in-magic hack on keeping the continent. So the continent does drift. They don't have plate tectonics. The continent actually moves as it gets weathered on the east and gets pushed that direction over millennia of time As for the question of flora and crem.. Quote BRANDON SANDERSON Almost all the things you see as flora are actual flora. Like, rockbuds are flora, trees are flora, shalebark is not, and some of the things like that - haspers are not, and some of these things are more - are animal life, are fauna. But grass is actually a flora, and trees. One of the big adaptations they’ve had to make is that they have to use crem, so a lot of the tree that you’ll find on Roshar, they will be using crem that falls - they use this to create shells, they use this to create bark, they use this in a LOT of different ways, the minerals there are very important because they’re not getting from the soil what plants on our soil get from soil, a lot of them do. All of your minerals and things have to come from the crem. Which the farmers already knew. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 it was mentioned that plants fertilized with crem grow better than other plants. this is strongly reminescent of what happens in the elendel basin. I don't think a strong comparion with the mist can be made, but it's likely that crem is somewhat invested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, king of nowhere said: it was mentioned that plants fertilized with crem grow better than other plants. this is strongly reminescent of what happens in the elendel basin. I don't think a strong comparion with the mist can be made, but it's likely that crem is somewhat invested. Why? Mistborn spoilers Spoiler I don't think Sazed invested the ground of the basin any more than normal. Rather, he just arranged for there to be a higher level of nutrients in it, like with crem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 I am failry sure there is a word of brandon somewhere saying that "the mists hug the ground extra strongly", i.e. the ground is invested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted February 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 That means that there is no crem in Shinovar, since there are no highstorms there and it is unneeded. That's cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 46 minutes ago, Figberts said: That means that there is no crem in Shinovar, since there are no highstorms there and it is unneeded. That's cool! Yeah. Shinovar has dirt and is basically the most Earthlike part of Roshar. I wonder what's going to happen though when the rest of the continent wears away. Also makes me wonder how it formed in the first place. 1 hour ago, king of nowhere said: I am failry sure there is a word of brandon somewhere saying that "the mists hug the ground extra strongly", i.e. the ground is invested. Mistborn spoilers. Quote First of all, I can't find any mention of that. Secondly, mist hugging the ground isn't that much of a novel phenomenon, and considering the mist is close to being sentient and invested, not surprising it would act strangely. Overall, still not seeing anything which says that the ground in Scadrial is invested more than usual. Thirdly, this very off-topic so if you do want to continue it, make a topic in the appropriate sub-forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsidqiyah Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 21 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said: Yeah. Shinovar has dirt and is basically the most Earthlike part of Roshar. I wonder what's going to happen though when the rest of the continent wears away. Also makes me wonder how it formed in the first place. Off Topic: What is going to happen to Shinovar when the Everstorm hits? i suspect their whole culture is going to have issues as the dirt will be stripped away and there will only be stone to walk on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Tsidqiyah said: Off Topic: What is going to happen to Shinovar when the Everstorm hits? i suspect their whole culture is going to have issues as the dirt will be stripped away and there will only be stone to walk on. I think they might be more concerned with the Apocalypse going on and literal demons from Hell returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 4 hours ago, Tsidqiyah said: Off Topic: What is going to happen to Shinovar when the Everstorm hits? i suspect their whole culture is going to have issues as the dirt will be stripped away and there will only be stone to walk on. 3 hours ago, Oversleep said: I think they might be more concerned with the Apocalypse going on and literal demons from Hell returning. Perhaps, but it's amazing what religious fanaticism can do in those situations (we saw how big of a deal it was to Szeth, and he was "allowed" to do it because of his nature as Truthless). Not to mention, their agriculture and buildings will all be devastated as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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