bdoble97 Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) Is Szeth a ghost half dead half alive? Or is half his soul in shadesmare and the other have in the physical realm. I really like the idea of there being a ghostly image of him when he moves around thats just cool. I dont think he is a ghost bc his hair would not be growing right. I wish we got to hear nightblood talk. Edited February 10, 2017 by bdoble97 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jofwu Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 I think Brandon described it saying it's as if his cognitive self is lagging behind his physical self. Having died and been brought back to life, the reconnection left a little wiggle room between the two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdoble97 Posted February 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 35 minutes ago, jofwu said: I think Brandon described it saying it's as if his cognitive self is lagging behind his physical self. Having died and been brought back to life, the reconnection left a little wiggle room between the two. That sounds cool. I wounder if that will grant him abilities. Do you think he will join the good guy eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randalthor Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 I totally miss that when I read the story. Yeah, I think he somehow gonna turn into helping the good guys. Szeth is a very interesting character being controlled and that in the past but not anymore. Now he also have Nightblood, a sword with conscience. It's gonna get very interesting where Mr. Sanderson gonna go next with his story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 From what I understand, Nale didn't resurrect him properly, so small weird things are happening. I'm assuming nothing major though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zodiac Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 Has anyone asked if Nale is able to szeth's shadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdoble97 Posted February 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 hours ago, randalthor said: I totally miss that when I read the story. Yeah, I think he somehow gonna turn into helping the good guys. Szeth is a very interesting character being controlled and that in the past but not anymore. Now he also have Nightblood, a sword with conscience. It's gonna get very interesting where Mr. Sanderson gonna go next with his story. I hope he does. I am so interested in Szeth now. Was never a big fan of his on the 1st 2 books. But now him with nightblood and the idea of him going to the good guy makes him so much more appealing to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasshoppa Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 5 hours ago, randalthor said: Now he also have Nightblood, a sword with conscience. Uh.."conscience". I feel quotes are called for in this instance. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 I thought Bonding with Sword-Nimi was giving him a stronger connection to the Cognetive Realm? On 2/10/2017 at 4:37 PM, Patricksinger said: Has anyone asked if Nale is able to szeth's shadow Quote QUESTION Could only Lift see Szeth's afterimages? BRANDON SANDERSON Anyone sufficiently Invested can see them. Connection to the Cognitive Realm helps, too. Nale still has his Honorblade and Surgebinding so i'd guess that he is able too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeskarKomrk Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 On 2/19/2017 at 6:52 PM, AerionBFII said: I thought Bonding with Sword-Nimi was giving him a stronger connection to the Cognetive Realm? Nale still has his Honorblade and Surgebinding so i'd guess that he is able too Szeth's afterimages are not because of a stronger connection with the Cognitive Realm, but because his soul isn't sticking to his body quite right: Quote Also: the Returned on Nalthis are cognitive shadows, shoved into and firmly attached to their dead bodies by virtue of that enormous "divine Breath" they're given. And Szeth is not a cognitive shadow; his real soul was returned to his body... it just isn't sticking very well. Hence the afterimages. Source Lift is the one with the stronger connection to the Cognitive Realm, which allows her to see the images. But that's not the reason why they exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard Slayer Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Spoiler So what is the difference between a cognitive shadow and your "real soul". I thought Kelsier is a cognitive shadow, but I also thought that was his "real soul". If that isn't the case, is the "real" Kelsier out there somewhere? (mistborn secret history spoiler) (not sure if that matters anymore) Edited February 21, 2017 by Shard Slayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Mistborn:SH spoiler Spoiler Kelsier lost his connection to the Physical Realm when his body died. Szeth was resurrected before his soul got to that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard Slayer Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Landis963 said: Mistborn:SH spoiler Hide contents Kelsier lost his connection to the Physical Realm when his body died. Szeth was resurrected before his soul got to that point. Ah. I see. So your 'soul' is a cognitive shadow once it loses it's connection to your body. On Nalthis, those cognitive shadows are pushed forcefully enough back to make a firm connection, Szeth's soul wasn't totally severed, but also wasn't reattached perfectly. But because his soul wasn't entirely severed (existing only in the cognitive realm) he wasn't ever a shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shard Slayer said: Ah. I see. So your 'soul' is a cognitive shadow once it loses it's connection to your body. On Nalthis, those cognitive shadows are pushed forcefully enough back to make a firm connection, Szeth's soul wasn't totally severed, but also wasn't reattached perfectly. But because his soul wasn't entirely severed (existing only in the cognitive realm) he wasn't ever a shadow. Precisely (minus the necessary quibbling about how the "soul" is really your mind + your soul - it's complicated). I suspect that it would take a Shard's intervention to re-pack a departed soul back into its body perfectly, a la the Returned. Any similar effort by someone with a lesser amount of Investiture would probably fail or result in a Cognitive afterimage. Also your instinct re: spoilers is correct (namely, it's good that it's there), if only because Mistborn: SH is a Mistborn book, and not a Stormlight book. Edited February 21, 2017 by Landis963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 On 2/21/2017 at 3:10 PM, Landis963 said: I suspect that it would take a Shard's intervention to re-pack a departed soul back into its body perfectly, a la the Returned. Any similar effort by someone with a lesser amount of Investiture would probably fail or result in a Cognitive afterimage. Lift resurrecting Gawx in her interlude is a bit of a counter to this assumption. As far as we know, Gawx does not have an afterimage and his soul was not "repacked" by a shard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Gawx was resurrected using the surge of regrowth. This could be an example of a fabrial being unable to perfectly mimic the surge it's modeled after. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 On 2/10/2017 at 3:15 PM, grasshoppa said: Uh.."conscience". I feel quotes are called for in this instance. QUOTATIONS ARE EEEEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLL!!!! I will kill you until you die from it! -Nightblood (probably) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 1 hour ago, CaptainRyan said: Lift resurrecting Gawx in her interlude is a bit of a counter to this assumption. As far as we know, Gawx does not have an afterimage and his soul was not "repacked" by a shard. Lift was right there on the spot to save Gawx. Darkness, OTOH, deliberately waited until Szeth was "dead for certain" (his words) before resurrecting him. My conjecture is that Gawx's soul didn't have a chance to unpack, so to speak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Um, Gawx was killed, Lift broke free and ran away and snuck back to heal him. There was definitely some time between death and resurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 12 hours ago, Calderis said: Gawx was resurrected using the surge of regrowth. This could be an example of a fabrial being unable to perfectly mimic the surge it's modeled after. I find this theory plausible though I am do not know if it is correct or not. My comment was only a response to the previous statement saying that only a shard, ala Endowment and the Returned, is able to resurrect with no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 I wonder if Szeth will stay the way he is? If he becomes able to use Stormlight, will his soul heal back to normal? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Brandon has said there's a difference between dead and mostly dead. We know that there's a time gap between physical death, staying in the cognitive realm and passing on to the Beyond. My take is that Szeth died physically, but was resurrected from the cognitive realm or possibly just as he was passing from it. I think this happened so that, if he was actually bound to the oathstone (which is possible with Honor's binding systems and perception mattering) that bond could be severed. But I have my doubts a fabrial would fully create a cognitive shadow. Whereas returned are true cognitive shadows, their soul is stapled back into their dead body from the Beyond. I believe Szeth, like a Returned, would need a regular intake of investiture to keep his soul stapled to his body and we know Szeth cannot access stormlight any more. Gawx I think was simply healed while he was still fully in the cognitive realm. I can't be sure of that but barring a WoB I haven't seen, I'm pretty confident of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xianpoxi Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Do we know that Szeth cannot gain investiture from Stormlight anymore? He doesn't have the honor blade anymore, but does he have a high-spren? That is what Nale's apprentices do. Also, I don't think Nale has his honorblade. Windle said he had a spren. Which could be a mistake, but I don't think it is. Ifso, then it implies he's been the longest surviving Radiant. I think he became a Radiant after the Recreance perhaps? or maybe before and he has simply kept a low profile for a LONG time. I think he would not have too much trouble attracting a High Spren. He's a Fanatic about law. He's rather reminiscent of Javier from Les Miserables. Sure, there has been plenty of time for him to recover his Honor blade from the Shin, but I don't think that is what happened. There is a reason the honorblades were left behind when the oathpact was shattered and Talanelenalat was the only one of the Heralds to be bound and tortured. I believe the Heralds needed to leave the blades behind to be free, but I think that Nale has no honorblade, but a high spren. I think this ties in with a few things Szeth said as well. As Truthless, he seems to fear or expect that He'll be bound and tortured for all that he is 'owed'. This seems reminiscent of Talanelenalat's fate and the fate the other Herald's fled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 26 minutes ago, xianpoxi said: Also, I don't think Nale has his honorblade. He does. Quote Is Nalan using his original Honorblade, or did he bond a spren? Brandon Sanderson He's using his original Honorblade. But there's an asterisk here that will come up in Oathbringer. 26 minutes ago, xianpoxi said: Do we know that Szeth cannot gain investiture from Stormlight anymore? We do. Or at the very least, we did. This WoB is from before Edgedancer, so things might have changed for the character in the time period before/after that Novella and Oathbringer Quote Brandon Sanderson Nightblood can feed off Stormlight, but Szeth can't draw in Stormlight right now. So Szeth better not draw that sword, for a while at least. 31 minutes ago, xianpoxi said: As Truthless, he seems to fear or expect that He'll be bound and tortured for all that he is 'owed'. As pointed out by Szeth, and subsequently a few people on here: This is due to the fact that us "stonewalkers" make the assumption that being Truthless absolves him of his sins. Szeth feels responsible for all the chaos and death he has caused, despite being ordered to do it by others. I see the line as referencing the realization that he's gonna go down south for what he's done, rather than to heaven. That he knows he's a bad person and that whatever happens to him in the afterlife is what he deserves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Scanlon Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 I thought he was blurry because of the powers given to him by the sword Nightblood. But I'm sure I am wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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