The Voiceless One Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 I have found no hints about what lerasium would do if used as a metalmind, but I think that it would allow the storage of allomantic strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Nicrosil already does that (and more). Edited February 6, 2017 by Oversleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 On 7/2/2017 at 0:58 AM, Oversleep said: Nicrosil already does that (and more). Actually Nicrosil doesn't do it...or to be honest it allow you to store and tap your Innate Investiture. But you can't use it to become a stronger allomancer (because I think The Voiceless One was actually talking of what we call "reverse compounding"). So also if I don't think F-Lerasium store Allomantic Strength, it's still a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Yata said: Actually Nicrosil doesn't do it...or to be honest it allow you to store and tap your Innate Investiture. But you can't use it to become a stronger allomancer (because I think The Voiceless One was actually talking of what we call "reverse compounding"). So also if I don't think F-Lerasium store Allomantic Strength, it's still a possibility. Where did you hear that you cannot amplify to become a stronger allomancer than the charge stored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 19 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: Where did you hear that you cannot amplify to become a stronger allomancer than the charge stored? It was in a double WoB (I am searching it now to post), the first question was if you store "mistborn power" in Nicrisil or you have to store all the 16 and the second was about tapping the Nicrosilmind to gain more power than the one who stored it inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Yata said: It was in a double WoB (I am searching it now to post), the first question was if you store "mistborn power" in Nicrisil or you have to store all the 16 and the second was about tapping the Nicrosilmind to gain more power than the one who stored it inside. The one about storing powers separately is posted in WoB Stack Exchange Anyway, I don't see why you cannot gain more power - Feruchemy is about how fast you tap. If you stored your allomantic power for an hour and then tapped it all in a minute you'd become dozens of time more powerful for that minute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Thanks @Oversleep I had an hard time to find it...and indeed there is a part between the two WoB who made my point falls. Sorry for the error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravy Sprinkles Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 Maybe it does the opposite of Atium, and storing makes you younger rather than older. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan_rd Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 Probably not the exact opposite of Atium but similar concept. Ruin described himself as embodiment of "change", time/ageing fits as a coresponding stored attribute. Perhaps Lerasium stores "survival" or mental preservation? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 I think it has been said that atium focuses on temporal powers and another quadrant while lerasium focuses on the remaining two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hwiles Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 I'm not sure we're ever likely to see a bead of lerasium on Scadrial again since that would allow for the creation of a mistborn, as well as the subsequent breeding of more mistborns. Further, if we did see a bead of lerasium, it would seem almost foolish for whoever found it to do anything other burn it immediately ... But... If we're going to venture into the realm of baseless speculation, I'd like to see lerasium and its alloys to delve into some as yet unexplored feruchemical territory. More abstract attributes like Empathy where storing and tapping could move a person along the spectrum between being a sociopath and being fantastic at intuitively understanding the feelings of others. Or something like Intelligence, which in this case would refer to the speed at which one is able to "learn" and thereby permanently grow new neural pathways rather than being in reference to storing "mental speed" which would be more along the lines of, "how quickly one can send and receive signals along existing neural pathways." Before you try to poke holes, yes, I understand that these aren't perfect models. I think they would be fun feruchemical powers to explore, even if they're unlikely to ever appear on screen...Maybe we'll get to see some atium-alloys in the Lost Metal though, Marsh has way more than he needs and he never struck me as a really selfish person... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YungDankBlast Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Sheridan_rd said: Probably not the exact opposite of Atium but similar concept. Ruin described himself as embodiment of "change", time/ageing fits as a coresponding stored attribute. Perhaps Lerasium stores "survival" or mental preservation? So like tapping Lerasium could make you more sane? If so, they would be less susceptible to Ruin's touch so that may be close... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voiceless One Posted February 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 Just now, Gravy Sprinkles said: Maybe it does the opposite of Atium, and storing makes you younger rather than older. I thought that feruchemical metals were their own opposite, where storing would make you older, and tapping would make you younger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 I like an old theory (I don't remember who was the creator) about Lerasium Feruchemy. With this idea the F-Lerasium store density, tapping a lot of it make you quite indistructible while storing it would give you some intangibility (hard to use because you need to keep contact with the Lerasium itself) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, Yata said: I like an old theory (I don't remember who was the creator) about Lerasium Feruchemy. With this idea the F-Lerasium store density, tapping a lot of it make you quite indistructible while storing it would give you some intangibility (hard to use because you need to keep contact with the Lerasium itself) Oh man, together with Iron Feruchemy it would seriously break everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan_rd Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 I could be that Lerasium Feruchemy is similar to Atium Hemalurgy. Lerasium could be used as a substitute for any other metal for a Ferchemist's metal mind to store any attribute? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 27 minutes ago, Sheridan_rd said: I could be that Lerasium Feruchemy is similar to Atium Hemalurgy. Lerasium could be used as a substitute for any other metal for a Ferchemist's metal mind to store any attribute? Atium - Hemalurgy Lerasium - Allomancy By that logic, the universal metalmind would be harmonium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, Oversleep said: Atium - Hemalurgy Lerasium - Allomancy By that logic, the universal metalmind would be harmonium. Exactly, also if that logic is already at risk...Trellium too seems be able to Steal multiple attributes, probably all of them (I was unable to find a specific pattern in the metals it could replace) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voiceless One Posted February 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 20 hours ago, Oversleep said: By that logic, the universal metalmind would be harmonium. A good point. My other idea as that it stored allomantic strength, but from what I have seen, this is already done by Nicrosil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YungDankBlast Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 On 2/12/2017 at 10:50 AM, Oversleep said: Atium - Hemalurgy Lerasium - Allomancy By that logic, the universal metalmind would be harmonium. Plus, we already see Lerasium being used as an Allomantic universal whenever Vin burns the mists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 4 hours ago, CayJoBla said: Plus, we already see Lerasium being used as an Allomantic universal whenever Vin burns the mists If The Mist and whatever other kind of Shard's gassous investiture may be used as a fuel from the magic systems. Ruin too may fuel Allomancy with his black Mists. The matter is what happen when the Shard's power is fixed in solid form as god metal...the difference state of matter carry with it a different mechanic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voiceless One Posted February 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 Just now, Yata said: Ruin too may fuel Allomancy with his black Mists. I do not think that this is correct, as ruin is not the source of allomancy, so he has little to no control over the powers of an allomancer.. This means that he could not have fueled all their metal reserves, but perhaps he could fuel the atium reserves of the person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 18 minutes ago, The Voiceless One said: I do not think that this is correct, as ruin is not the source of allomancy, so he has little to no control over the powers of an allomancer.. This means that he could not have fueled all their metal reserves, but perhaps he could fuel the atium reserves of the person. All Shards may do this, it is confirmed not an idea of mine. They may be better or worse at doing it, but they could. I don't want mix things together but if you read other Cosmere's books...you may use also their raw Investiture to performe Allomancy (also if it will be complex and probably a stupid things to do it). I think it's better with a direct quote: Quote CZANOS (17 OCTOBER 2008) Preservation can fuel Allomancy, (Minus Atium.) but can Ruin fuel Hemalurgy? (Or Atium?) And could Sazed fuel all three Metallic Arts? BRANDON SANDERSON (17 OCTOBER 2008) Both gods could, if they wanted, fuel all of the metallic arts. Preservation is stronger at fueling Allomancy, Ruin stronger at fueling Allomancy or Feruchemy when it has been given via a spike. Both are balanced when it comes to Feruchemy. But this rarely comes up in the books, as it required expending power in a way that the gods were hesitant to do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voiceless One Posted February 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 I see. Thank you for the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 On 2/12/2017 at 2:10 PM, Yata said: Exactly, also if that logic is already at risk...Trellium too seems be able to Steal multiple attributes, probably all of them (I was unable to find a specific pattern in the metals it could replace) Trellium has only been seen to steal physical quadrant abilities. (I was trying to find a pattern. I feel that it can't (or shouldn't) do what Atium does as that diminishes the latter.) Hope that helps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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