maxal Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 27 minutes ago, phoenix2563 said: I agree with Gavilar with being the book 5 pov, but I am thinking the book 4 could be Renarin. We currently know very little of his whereabouts that night, and could have played a more pivotal role than meets the eye from what we know of his abilities. Also fits in with the theme with prologue pov characters being future flashback characters (with Gavilar being the book 5 exception). It could also potentially be from Shalash and keep to the "future flashback character" pattern as we know she was there at some point that day defacing a statue of herself. Don't think it is Taravangian or Amaram as the most important actions/conversations by them likely included Gavilar and would be covered in the book 5 pov. As far as we can tell, the Kholin boys weren't at the feast. Adolin didn't even know his father was drunk which implies he wasn't around at the time of Gavilar's death and if Adolin wasn't around, chances are much younger Renarin wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Also considering renarin's delicate constitution that on top of everything else points to there being little to no chance of young renarin having been at the treaty signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Back five prologues: Perhaps Heralds viewpoints of the Prelude? So far we had Kalak's perpsective on walking away from the Oathpact. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 48 minutes ago, Oversleep said: Back five prologues: Perhaps Heralds viewpoints of the Prelude? So far we had Kalak's perpsective on walking away from the Oathpact. The wording of this WoB may be misleading but I think he means it Quote 13 INTERVIEW: Mar 21st, 2014 WOR Signing Table Q&A (Verbatim) QUESTION Are we going to get ten different perspectives for Gavilar's death? BRANDON SANDERSON You will get five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 24 minutes ago, Extesian said: The wording of this WoB may be misleading but I think he means it Yeah, I know. That's why I'm wondering what would be the back five prologue event. The front five is the Gavilar's assassination which is an important event from which many plotlines stem. The back five could be an even more important one, namely Herald's deciding to walk away from their Blades and leaving Taln alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 36 minutes ago, Oversleep said: Yeah, I know. That's why I'm wondering what would be the back five prologue event. The front five is the Gavilar's assassination which is an important event from which many plotlines stem. The back five could be an even more important one, namely Herald's deciding to walk away from their Blades and leaving Taln alone. Oh my apologies Oversleep, I completely misread what you said, I thought you were suggesting 5 versions of the prologue from 5 different Heralds. Your actual idea is MUCH better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Could it also be that the event is going to be something which has yet to occur because remember back 5 are 10-15 years in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 I'm actually pretty sad about Eshonai being our prologue POV. I am not very fond of the Parshendi in general, and Eshonai felt kind of bland in WoR. I really don't see what her POV would add. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 24 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: I'm actually pretty sad about Eshonai being our prologue POV. I am not very fond of the Parshendi in general, and Eshonai felt kind of bland in WoR. I really don't see what her POV would add. I'm assuming then you haven't read the prologue transcript from a reading he did earlier this year? I won't spoil it, but I love it. More than the Jasnah one. And I don't like Eshonai either. It's the information in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Extesian said: I'm assuming then you haven't read the prologue transcript from a reading he did earlier this year? I won't spoil it, but I love it. More than the Jasnah one. And I don't like Eshonai either. It's the information in it... Hm. I guess I'll have to get to reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: Hm. I guess I'll have to get to reading it. It casts Gavilar in a completely new light. It's got some major story implications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 8 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said: I'm actually pretty sad about Eshonai being our prologue POV. I am not very fond of the Parshendi in general, and Eshonai felt kind of bland in WoR. I really don't see what her POV would add. I also find Eshonai to be a bland not too interesting to read character but I too have to echo the fact her prologue is actually good. The insights she gives us is priceless and the tip bits we learn on her is also interesting. This being said, it will take more than that to sell me a book with her as a focus character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I was hoping that Nalan would be the prologue focus for Szeth's flashback book, but I have to agree that it doesn't seem too likely Hoid could be a fun one, he'd been running around on Roshar for a while before becoming Wit. I wonder if he was even at the feast... Maybe we could get Navani's viewpoint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Darkness said: Hoid could be a fun one, he'd been running around on Roshar for a while before becoming Wit. I wonder if he was even at the feast... Maybe we could get Navani's viewpoint? I would be surprised if Hoid wasn't on the feast. Probably dressed as a beggar. Hoid likes beggars, for some reason. I dont see what Navani could add though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I suppose that it would be a be too much to ask to have him as a prologue P.O.V we might learn quite a bit about his motives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I would not want Hoid. He was not an active participant of Gavilar's assassination: I see no purpose for him to get a prologue. There are so many more interesting players available: Gavilar, Amaram, Sadeas, Aesudan, Elhokar even Nalan. In fact, there are too many interesting participants for what the two open spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 18 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said: I would be surprised if Hoid wasn't on the feast. Probably dressed as a beggar. Hoid likes beggars, for some reason. I dont see what Navani could add though. that's just the thing. Like Jasnah, Navani wasn't really mentioned in the previous prologues. She was presumably off doing her own thing. It's a completely blank creative space that could easily be used as an engaging plot element. For example, maybe Navani was in the background and retreated with the women when the night wore on, perhaps she was pulling political strings and setting plans into motion. Perhaps she spent a portion of the evening with Aesudan. I wouldn't have guessed Jasnah was meeting with Liss, so initially I would have said "what could Jasnah possibly add?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 9 hours ago, Darkness said: that's just the thing. Like Jasnah, Navani wasn't really mentioned in the previous prologues. She was presumably off doing her own thing. It's a completely blank creative space that could easily be used as an engaging plot element. For example, maybe Navani was in the background and retreated with the women when the night wore on, perhaps she was pulling political strings and setting plans into motion. Perhaps she spent a portion of the evening with Aesudan. I wouldn't have guessed Jasnah was meeting with Liss, so initially I would have said "what could Jasnah possibly add?" True. There are others who are deserving of a prologue as well however. And I think that Sadeas, Amaram, Elhokar and others have more interesting things to offer, both character-wise and plot-wise. But as you say, we can never know. I also have to admit to a bit of a personal bias here. I am more interested in Sadeas, Amaram and Elhokar than Navani. I find her quite boring to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 On 8/13/2017 at 1:05 PM, maxal said: Actually, Brandon wants to alternate in between female and male focus characters because he feels it makes a nice symmetry. He might not do it though if he feels it stops making sense. Wait, Brandon actually said this? All this time I've been positing that as a theory based on how he ordered the back five characters in this one WoB... On 8/14/2017 at 4:43 AM, Overstorm said: Back five prologues: Perhaps Heralds viewpoints of the Prelude? So far we had Kalak's perspective on walking away from the Oathpact. Depending on how things turn out, maybe the prologue of Taln's book could be his final battle of that Desolation, winning the impossible fight and dying in the process. It'd be the action-packed prologue for the back half, the way Szeth's is for the front five. On 8/22/2017 at 7:27 AM, Toaster Retribution said: I am more interested in Sadeas, Amaram and Elhokar than Navani. I find her quite boring to be honest. Sadeas: Mostly interested in his interactions with Gavilar and Blackthorn Dalinar than anything else. Amaram: Eh. A smidge curious about Sons of Honor though, so.. Elhokar: Never really cared about him to be honest. Navani: I actually like Navani, but I'd be lying if i said I wasn't also interested in Fabrial-Tech anytime I said I wanted her to have more screentime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Crabs Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 My vote is that we get elhokar/amaram in book 4, and big ol' Gavilar himself in book 5. I dont see these types of prologues extending past the first 5 books of SA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulminato Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 my money are on Taravangian and Gavilar. Taravangian In is WoR interlude spoke of the gavilar vision, reported to him from gavilar himself in the night of his assassination the last wil be Gavilar to gain the full picture of that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Head Crabs said: I dont see these types of prologues extending past the first 5 books of SA. You're absolutely right. There's a WoB in which Brandon said we will get 5 views of the night of Gavilar's death. Presumably, the back will highlight a different event. I'm hoping for the Heralds and the breaking of the Oathpact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Crabs Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Calderis said: Presumably, the back will highlight a different event. I'm hoping for the Heralds and the breaking of the Oathpact. That would certainly be interesting, but doesnt seem likely to me since it was the very first scene that we got in SA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Crabs Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 Omg, i want something from heleran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazeU Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Head Crabs said: Omg, i want something from heleran. I believe this is possible. Iirc, when balat met heleran in the city and was telling shallan about it later, he says heleran told him "the next time I leave I may not be back for some time".... makes me think he knew he was fixing to world hop. Maybe he loaned his shards out before he left? While possible... I don't think it likely. Edited September 14, 2017 by RazeU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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