shadowwisp Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Anyone else pickup on this? Any thoughts or speculations? Quote “I who have lived immortal lives? I who have slain demigods and survived Desolations? I am the Herald of Justice.” Demigods? What do you think Nale is referring to? Possible in-fighting among Heralds? Or does Odium have his own set of Heralds? Or was Nale mistakenly referring to Vasher? "Mistakenly" in the sense that Vasher is still alive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC01 Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Really powerful Splinters could be considered demigods. I assumed that he was just talking about some of the Unmade and/or other similar superspren. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Honor splintered and created loads of extra spren. Perhaps Nale sees the Nahel Bond as some kind of Symbiotic relationship. Man & Spren could be semi-godlike if you looked at it in a certain light. He may be referring to past hunting trips against proto-radiants. It's my justification for his plurality of "demigods" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC01 Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Maybe. You could make an argument for Radiants being demigods (though I find that somewhat dubious), but only because they are humans bonded with Splinters, and we have an example, in the Returned, of a Splinter/human bond producing something that could accurately be called a demigod. That, however, is a bond where the human and Splinter essentially become one being. On the other end of the spectrum, we have the Splinter/human bond on Sel, where non-Elantrians bonded to seons are certainly not demigods. Radiants seem to be somewhere in between. Nalan's state of mind being what it is, it might be valid to interpret the things he says in a lot of different ways, but I would wager that he understands the workings of the Cosmere well enough that he himself would not call a Radiant a demigod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Do we know if Nale has spent all of the time between the last Desolation and the current time on Roshar? I could see Returned (at least the Hallandren Gods) being considered Demigods, or perhaps other characters on other planets, if he's worldhopped at all. In fact, could that be connected to why Vasher is on Roshar, and why Nale has Nightblood? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 I assumed he has battled the unmade or other invested minsters once or twice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brgst13 Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Could it be that some of the Voidbringer forms could be considered demigods? Stormform seems to be one of the weaker forms based on the Listener forms song; if there are stronger forms, they could easily be considered demigods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanrei Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Well chasmfiends are considered gods by Parshendii. So depends on definition rly powerful voidbringer could be considered demigod too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 7 hours ago, Kanrei said: Well chasmfiends are considered gods by Parshendii. So depends on definition rly powerful voidbringer could be considered demigod too. But would Nale consider them demigods? I somehow find that unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC01 Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 I would say that Listeners bonding with really big spren, like the Unmade, might well put them into demigod territory. Honestly, though, I think that anytime the Unmade bond with anything, one might well consider that a demigod. I think that is probably what Nalan was referring to. See, for example, Dalinar's Purelake Highstorm vision. I think that Nalan was talking about something like that (except probably even more extreme, and I think that we can all agree that we have not yet seen what the apogee of a Desolation yields). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmann966 Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Calling the Crackpot theory now: Nale was in league with Treledees. The Pahn Kahl Rebellion was an inside job. Shardblades can't cut steel beams. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC01 Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Obligatory can't-take-a-joke comment: Shardblades can too cut steel beams! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngy Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 On 25/11/2016 at 3:25 PM, Jondesu said: Do we know if Nale has spent all of the time between the last Desolation and the current time on Roshar? I could see Returned (at least the Hallandren Gods) being considered Demigods, or perhaps other characters on other planets, if he's worldhopped at all. In fact, could that be connected to why Vasher is on Roshar, and why Nale has Nightblood? There is a WoB that says they haven't left the Greater Roshar system since then as they are bound to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 My money is on his talking about the Unmade; what little we know of them sounds like they could fairly be called demigods by someone with Nale's perspective, or indeed by most people in Roshar generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmann966 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 5 hours ago, Weltall said: My money is on his talking about the Unmade; what little we know of them sounds like they could fairly be called demigods by someone with Nale's perspective, or indeed by most people in Roshar generally. Agreed. To a Herald, "demigod" would mean a powerful Splinter (or the other Heralds, and I wouldn't put it past Nale to judge one of the other 8 and take action.) ...OR we could put on our super-thick tinfoil here and say that he's talking about Honor and that he and the other Heralds were somehow (or feel somehow) responsible for his destruction... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bromo_Sapien Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 On 11/26/2016 at 11:53 PM, DSC01 said: Obligatory can't-take-a-joke comment: Shardblades can too cut steel beams! So can jet fuel... I buy into the Unmade being the demigods, especially considering most were named after demigods/demons: Moelach/Moloch, Nergaoul/Nergal, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoltCruelerz Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 5 hours ago, Zmann966 said: Agreed. To a Herald, "demigod" would mean a powerful Splinter (or the other Heralds, and I wouldn't put it past Nale to judge one of the other 8 and take action.) ...OR we could put on our super-thick tinfoil here and say that he's talking about Honor and that he and the other Heralds were somehow (or feel somehow) responsible for his destruction... Yeah, probably a powerful splinter of some kind is my guess, though honestly I would not be surprised in the least if he's killed other Heralds. Of course, since they have a history of coming back, that sort of makes it a moot point unless they just dueled to the death for kicks one time or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Maybe he's referring to honor? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, hoidhunter said: Maybe he's referring to honor? He used plural though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 This is true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 On 11/24/2016 at 9:12 AM, shadowwisp said: Quote “I who have lived immortal lives? I who have slain demigods and survived Desolations? I am the Herald of Justice.” No idea if this has any proper relevance, but I found this WoB while looking for something else. Quote What's the other god in Scadrial...Trell… or whatnot... [...] mentioning him, are there other really powerful beings out there that aren't related to the Shards? Brandon Sanderson There are possibly really powerful beings, but… how should we say. [long pause] I mean...There are those who would call Hoid a really powerful being, who exist outside Shards, but if you're talking deific level things in the Cosmere, they're all related to the Shards. Or demigod level. Emphasis added. Of additional note is this WoB is from April 23 of 2016. Edgedancer came out in Arcanum unbounded only 7 months later in November. I wouldn't put it past him to have been finishing up on Edgedancer around that time. Perhaps there is something here 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djammmer Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 For BS to say demigod level... That's interesting. Mentioned them right next to shard bearers... And grouped them together, but called out that they have different levels. Maybe Hoids quest is to go around the cosmos trying to get to demigod level... Knowing becoming a shard bearer means killing a shard, and taking it, and having it change you. But demigod... It's also deific level, but a shard doesn't change who you are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yitzi2 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) On 11/28/2016 at 7:10 PM, Zmann966 said: Agreed. To a Herald, "demigod" would mean a powerful Splinter (or the other Heralds, and I wouldn't put it past Nale to judge one of the other 8 and take action.) ...OR we could put on our super-thick tinfoil here and say that he's talking about Honor and that he and the other Heralds were somehow (or feel somehow) responsible for his destruction... Ironically, the Cosmere is a setting in which a hat made of "tinfoil" (it's really aluminum foil) can provide protection against mental manipulation. (I'm sure Brandon did that intentionally.) Edited March 21, 2017 by Yitzi2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 21 hours ago, Yitzi2 said: Ironically, the Cosmere is a setting in which a hat made of "tinfoil" (it's really aluminum foil) can provide protection against mental manipulation. (I'm sure Brandon did that intentionally.) Not at first, but once he cottoned onto the joke, he embraced it. (I think it's in the Alloy of Law annotations somewhere) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 @Landis963 Actually, Brandon has mentioned that he did know the joke before putting it in and realized that since it worked Realmatically he couldn't pass up the opportunity to throw it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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