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2016-11-03 Librería Gigamesh - Barcelona, Spain

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Hey everyone!

We had a signing today in Barcelona (finished 2 hours ago) and, even with people not asking many questions, we had some interesting data. 
Going to try to get some of that here... Can't quote Brandon word by word, but I've been beside him all the time and I got some of what he answered.

"Q: Is Hoid human? 
 Brandon: Yes... but. Hoid is... you can say that he is still human, but his DNA have changed. Now he is human but you wouldn't call him Homo sapiens anymore. It happens something similar with the Steel Inquisitors"

"Q: You told us Odium broke 4 shards. Can you talk about the 4th one?
Brandon: I can say that you've seen, maybe not in Spain, but American fans have seen, the efects of that. You'll se something about it on Arcanum Unbounded"

Someone asked about the metal from if the metal of Paalm's spike could be used combined with another of the "normal" metals (maybe as an alloy?). He RAFOed that one.

He signed a copy of WoR (I think) and added a sticker for Oathbringer with a quote from that book (Oathbringer) he said it will make sense when we read that one.
"You cannot have my pain"

He also signed my WoR and I asked him to write something about the Unmade (this one is quoted word by word. Can't add picture right now)
"Most of the Unmade are not what we would call sapient. But a few are different..."


We had one or two more... But I've worked more than 12 hours today and my brain is melting right now. I'll try to get something more tomorrow. 

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So the real question is whether the evidence of this 4th shattered shard is from Edgedancer, or one of the old things (6th if the dusk, sfsitfoh) or maybe even the star charts/intros from Khriss. 

The fact that American fans have seen it but possibly not in Spain makes me think it's the old material (something that hasn't been translated yet). 

But we have WoB that Threnody and 1st of the Sun dont have shards (even shattered ) right??

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I'm thinking about Shadows of Silence in the Forest of Hell... The shades seem something that could be an after effect of the shattering of a Shard. 
(and sositfoh is not in Spanish... yet)

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3 hours ago, CosmereQuestioner said:

The fact that American fans have seen it but possibly not in Spain makes me think it's the old material (something that hasn't been translated yet). 

This made me think....What if "Trell" is the 4th dead shard, Odium may have killed him and still use his/her power for his own purpose without pick up the Shard ?

This come from the idea that maybe in Europe (like here in Italy) Shadow of Self and Bands Of Mourning are not localizated yet

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Agreed, except that the effects of the shattered shard are in Arcanum Unbounded, and SoS and BoM are not. Although secret history is in there so maybe that alludes to it?

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Is that confirmation that Odium has only killed 4 Shards? We've known that there was at least one more than Honor, Devotion, and Dominion, but not exactly one more. But the questions are paraphrased... @Axies, are you able to provide any clarification on that?

Because there are half-ish of the Shards remaining whole. If Odium has only killed 4, then there's someone else out there that is killing Shards. Yikes. Maybe it's Autonomy, maybe it's a worldhopping organization, maybe it's something else entirely.

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Can you point me in the direction of your source? I haven't heard about only half-ish of the 16 being whole, but I would love to learn more.

Edit: just found the source, thanks!

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3 minutes ago, CosmereQuestioner said:

Can you point me in the direction of your source? I haven't heard about only half-ish of the 16 being whole, but I would love to learn more.

Calamity Release Party.

Oh, and by the way, according to Amazon.es, the Shadows of Self translation was just released, so fans wouldn't have really had a chance to get it. Bands hasn't been translated yet. The novellas aren't available in spanish, either, so it could be any of them. I think they're our top candidates for our fourth Odium victim.

  • Emperor's Soul: set on Sel. Two Shards on Sel. Unless there's foreign magic, I think this is out.
  • Sixth of the Dusk: no Shard. We've seen the Ones Above before, otherwise I'd think their tech might be the result of a splintered Shard's magic.
  • Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell: I've always thought the phrase "Justice died in Homeland" could refer to a splintered Shard, and recently concluded that the Forescouts may have been worldhoppers. I haven't been able to tie this to Odium, however, for timeline reasons. This makes me reconsider it... maybe the Forescouts experienced time dilation as they worldhopped? (I would like this one to be true, but I'll admit it's mostly confirmation bias.)
  • Secret History: I think the Shardic influence is all accounted for in there. But you never know; there was a lot in there, and the Ire appeared to have tech from at least one other world, so maybe we need to pay attention.

If he is referring to Trell in Shadows/Bands, then how would we get info in AU? Well, it depends when Khriss is writing the essays. I personally hope they'll be set after the W&W books, to tie in her conversation with Wax as a part of research for said essays. But, as long as it's after 'Trell' has begun affecting Scadrial, then Khriss might see fit to mention something about it in her Scadrial essay.

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Somebody on Twitter went to this signing and got RAFO'd:

And his questions was:

 

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4 hours ago, Pagerunner said:

Is that confirmation that Odium has only killed 4 Shards? We've known that there was at least one more than Honor, Devotion, and Dominion, but not exactly one more. But the questions are paraphrased... @Axies, are you able to provide any clarification on that?

Because there are half-ish of the Shards remaining whole. If Odium has only killed 4, then there's someone else out there that is killing Shards. Yikes. Maybe it's Autonomy, maybe it's a worldhopping organization, maybe it's something else entirely.

He didn't said anything else. The question was phrased like "You said that Odium killed 4 shards..." and he did not deny it, nor confirmed. 

Was missing that one @WeiryWriter. Thank you. (went to the bathroom for one sec and when I come back I see the guy with the RAFO card...)

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About that Theoryland quote from the Calamity Release party - it should probably be noted that 'half-ish of the Shards are not whole' was one thought, and Brandon saying there are others besides Honor, Devotion and Dominion that are gone is another thought. Since he clarified that 'not whole' includes Splintered, not just Shattered, and he made a point to say that just because a Shard is splintered doesn't mean they're lessened.....that means that Endowment could certainly be included in the half of the Shards that aren't whole by Shadows of Self....but that doesn't mean she's gone.

However, we know that at least seven Shards of the original sixteen are definitely gone - Honor, Devotion, Dominion, Ruin, Preservation, and 'there are others' in regards to the question (which was are there any SHATTERED Shards we don't know about) definitely can't mean Ruin or Preservation....which means at least two other as yet unnamed Shards are Shattered. And since the half-ish quote said about half the Shards aren't whole, then five Shattered Shards, plus Ruin and Preservation, plus Endowment (which is Splintered) accounts for eight Shards right there. But again, since the only definitive ruling we have is 'half-ish' which could be nine instead of eight, for instance, there could still be Shards other than Endowment that are Splintered but still around, or there could be more than two unnamed Shards that are also Shattered.

Either way, we have seven Shards left to name, and of those, two of them at this point in the chronology are already Shattered. (Again, the 'there are other Shards that haven't been named yet that are Shattered doesn't include Autonomy, since we know about him....though this doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't Shattered or Splintered as well).

However, as a counterpoint to what Pagerunner said, this doesn't mean that there's someone else other than Odium out there killing Shards. Odium's influence wasn't necessary in what happened with Ruin and Preservation, they essentially did that to each other...while they weren't actually Shattered, there could easily be two Shards that Shattered each other in a similar kind of conflict. Or, an interesting possibility, what if there's a Shard who essentially committed suicide? Like a Vessel like Ati, who saw him or herself beginning to be corrupted by the influence of their Shard, perhaps another strongly negative Shard like Odium or Ruin....and while their personality was still relatively intact, before they could become fully consumed by their Intent, they found a way to Shatter themselves in order to keep their Shard's influence from doing as much harm as Ruin and Odium have managed? 

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I love the quote from book 3... Not much to get out of it, but I was pleased to read it this morning.

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On 11/3/2016 at 6:58 PM, Axies said:

"Q: You told us Odium broke 4 shards. Can you talk about the 4th one?
Brandon: I can say that you've seen, maybe not in Spain, but American fans have seen, the efects of that. You'll se something about it on Arcanum Unbounded"

In the light of the Drominad system essay by Khriss, I wonder if the fourth Shard died on First of the Sun.

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On 11/4/2016 at 7:36 PM, ROSHtaFARian2.0 said:

About that Theoryland quote from the Calamity Release party - it should probably be noted that 'half-ish of the Shards are not whole' was one thought, and Brandon saying there are others besides Honor, Devotion and Dominion that are gone is another thought. Since he clarified that 'not whole' includes Splintered, not just Shattered, and he made a point to say that just because a Shard is splintered doesn't mean they're lessened.....that means that Endowment could certainly be included in the half of the Shards that aren't whole by Shadows of Self....but that doesn't mean she's gone.

I think I disagree with how you are interpreting Sanderson's response. I will reproduce the lines from the Calamity release below:

--- start Calamity release quote ---

"LITTLE WILSON
You mentioned that "half-ish" of the existing Shards are whole at the time of Shadows of Self. Is that counting splinters?

BRANDON SANDERSON
No. Splintered is one of the ways they are not considered whole. (He's thinking about Dominion and Devotion and says that's the opposite of whole)

LITTLE WILSON
I was thinking about shattered versus splintered, and going with shattered with Devotion and Dominion. And then splintered would be Honor separating a piece of himself to create the spren (pre-Shattering).

BRANDON SANDERSON
On Scadrial, Ruin and Preservation did the same thing. Their bodies are part of the world. Things on the spiritual realm don't matter where they are in relation to each other. All those spren are still Honor, when he was alive. Does that make sense? Yes, they're splinters of Honor, but they're still Honor. It's not like he's diminished, because his whole essence is the world. There's no diminishing that. So we're talking about the fracturing of the mind and killing of the Shard. That's the distinction between whole and not whole.

LITTLE WILSON
Are there any Shards we don't know of that are Shattered?

BRANDON SANDERSON
Yes. (Zas' sister says "Four....ish...right?") Eh....Honor is gone. Devotion and Dominion are gone. There are others. The question is is Cultivation gone or not? I haven't answered that for you. There are others. So this is why I'm not going to give you answers on this." [emphasis mine]

--- end Calamity release ---

Notice how Little Wilson clarified after Brandon answered the first time (the bold text). Sanderson was originally assuming Splintered meant what we refer to as Shattered. The next bold portion, in Brandon's response, shows what Brandon actually meant - Shards that have had their mind fractured and the Vessel is dead. So, in the context, Endowment is not one of the Shards that could be considered "not whole" as she still has her mind and has merely created splinters of herself.

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