Random Observations R Me Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 During the climax of Words of Radiance, the Stormfather brings a "storm of cleansing." Does this mean a storm traveled all the way across Roshar in order to arrive at this massive battle? Or, did he create it right near the fight? I know this is largely meaningless, but the implications are... interesting and terrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) I'm fairly certain in the book that it is described as forming right out on the shattered plains, but I don't have a book handy to check. However, you're right. If I am right, what would that mean for our understanding of the Stormfather? It is "interesting and terrifying." Edited April 6, 2016 by Syzygy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 In the books Syl says he brought it earlier than usual, but functioned the same in all other ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliasSheep Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Supposing that he did just create it then and there, wouldn't this mean that there are now three storms on Roshar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Supposing that he did just create it then and there, wouldn't this mean that there are now three storms on Roshar? The stormwardens think there are lots of storms, going around the globe all the time. We don't know if that's true, or if it's really the Stormfather who keeps making new ones all the time. Since highstorms change in frequency over the year, and because the Weeping is a thing, it's pretty likely that the Stormfather does something at least. We do know that the Everstorm goes around the globe - it will come regularly, but at a lower frequency than normal highstorms. This sounds like all the storms go around the globe, but since the Everstorm is alone, it comes less frequently. But yeah, unless the Stormfather does something about it, there's an extra storm. Not sure how much of an impact that does, it depends on how many other storms there were to begin with. Edited April 6, 2016 by Eki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliasSheep Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 The stormwardens think there are lots of storms, going around the globe all the time. Ah, I was under the impression the leading theory was that there was just one storm circling the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Ah, I was under the impression the leading theory was that there was just one storm circling the planet. The coppermind says that WoR chapter 87 mentions more highstorms. I can't look the exact quote up right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliasSheep Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 The coppermind says that WoR chapter 87 mentions more highstorms. I can't look the exact quote up right now. What I've got here is: Were the highstorms all once storm that rounded the planet ... Scholars and stormwardens thought the former, these days. Hence me thinking that there was just one storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 What I've got here is: Hence me thinking that there was just one storm. But doesn't it get slowed basically to nothing due to the mountains in Shinovar? And they mention the Origin of Storms off in the East. If it is one storm it must be refueled at the Origin, or else another storm forms, which would mean it's not one continuous storm. I really want an interlude character to get to the Origin, maybe give us a peek, since we probably won't be getting anything about it til the second half of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliasSheep Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 But doesn't it get slowed basically to nothing due to the mountains in Shinovar? And they mention the Origin of Storms off in the East. If it is one storm it must be refueled at the Origin, or else another storm forms, which would mean it's not one continuous storm. I really want an interlude character to get to the Origin, maybe give us a peek, since we probably won't be getting anything about it til the second half of the series. Shinovar gets shielded, but as far as I can tell, the rest of the storm just passes around it. I don't think it's too hard conceptually for the storm to gain strength again (maybe with a little help from the Stormfather) while passing around the other side of the world. On that note, has there been a WoB on the rough dimensions of the storm? Like, does it extend from pole to pole or just the width of the Rosharan Pangea (there needs to be a fancy name for this - Roshan, anyone?)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 On that note, has there been a WoB on the rough dimensions of the storm? Like, does it extend from pole to pole or just the width of the Rosharan Pangea (there needs to be a fancy name for this - Roshan, anyone?)? Roshar, the sole continent of Roshar, most invested planet of the Greater Roshar star system. At least that is the canon name. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 What I've got here is: Hence me thinking that there was just one storm. You're right... I do think some other place really does explicitly mention more storms though. Or maybe it was just the lower frequency of the Everstorm that threw my thinking off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Roshar, the sole continent of Roshar, most invested planet of the Greater Roshar star system. At least that is the canon name. Yolish star-cartographers are so discriminatory against Ashyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) Yolish star-cartographers are so discriminatory against Ashyn Less shards, less investiture . Less investure, less reason for Khriss to care. Edited April 7, 2016 by DreamEternal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 But Khriss is Taldainian . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightVoid Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Since the shattered plains are close to the Origin, the Stormfather starting a storm early is not that crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunbird Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Roshar, the sole continent of Roshar, most invested planet of the Greater Roshar star system. At least that is the canon name. This post reminds me of this Darths and Droids comic strip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 I personally got the sense that the Stormfather does not create the storms, just oversees them. So when there was a clash on the shattered plains, he forced the storm to come earlier, and said he is sorry, it was all he could do. That doesn't sound like someone that can just snap its fingers and make them happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) But Khriss is Taldainian . . And where do you got the idea the Yolish made all the maps from? Nazh has his job for a reason, you know. Edited April 7, 2016 by DreamEternal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 IIRC a decent number of the shardworlds had names from Yolen to begin with before the shards even checked in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 On Earth, storms gain power over water and lose it over land. Storms that cross Haiti and the Dominican Republic will lose power over that island, then increase in strength again over the water, sometimes hitting places like Florida more harshly than the previous landfall. So it makes literally all the sense that the Highstorm could circle the planet and hit the eastern edge even stronger, whether or not it's Invested, since that's just how storms work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliasSheep Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) This actually brings to mind another question. The destruction of the clashing of the Everstorm and the Highstorm presumably caused more destruction than the Everstorm would have alone. Yet the Everstorm was right next to the ocean, and the Stormfather had to consciously bring the Highstorm to the Shattered Plains so that it would happen earlier. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the two storms collide over the ocean where they wouldn't cause nearly as much destruction?(Of course the easy answer to this is that the Highstorm was just about to hit New Natanan and the Stormfather brought it closer so as to avoid the destruction happening in a populated earlier, however there wasn't supposed to be another Highstorm for at least 2 weeks, so some weird stuff must have gone on there.) Edited April 10, 2016 by AliasSheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 This actually brings to mind another question. The destruction of the clashing of the Everstorm and the Highstorm presumably caused more destruction than the Everstorm would have alone. Yet the Everstorm was right next to the ocean, and the Stormfather had to consciously bring the Highstorm to the Shattered Plains so that it would happen earlier. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the two storms collide over the ocean where they wouldn't cause nearly as much destruction? (Of course the easy answer to this is that the Highstorm was just about to hit New Natanan and the Stormfather brought it closer so as to avoid the destruction happening in a populated earlier, however there wasn't supposed to be another Highstorm for at least 2 weeks, so some weird stuff must have gone on there.) The Stormfather wanted it to happen there and to destroy the Alethi armies, in his grief/insanity/anger. While I expect he's relented somewhat now considering he's bonded Dalinar, there's no guarantee of course. jW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Yeah, Stormfather was explicitly trying to kill everyone. He crashed it over the Plains on purpose, the jerk. Then again he apparently survived the Recreance. Perhaps he's not mentally stable. Seems fine now that Dalinar has gotten him to shut up and bond, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Ooh oo Oooh Shut up and bond with me This lighteyes is my destiny He said Oooh oo Oooh Shut up and Bond with me. I'm sorry. Stormfather was trying to wipe it clean, and accidentally had it show up at the exact wrong time. On the other hand, Kaladin's fight with Szeth wouldn't have been half as awesome. But really, I have to questions about the definition of honorable actions: Honor wiping them out, and Shallan lying all the storming time. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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