BinaryCupcake Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 soo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) They're both invincible. It'd get nowhere really. Unless this Blain is unafraid like the other one then Steelheart is doomed. Edited March 17, 2016 by natc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 I'd bet on Blain because I suspect being in control of his sanity and actively seeking to fight other Epics means he's got better control over their powers and more experience fighting. But even so their invulnerability is really hard to get around. We know that sometimes Prime Invincibilities can be bypassed by sufficiently powerful attacks but it'd be very hard for one of them to put the other in such a situation and manage to survive themselves. So essentially they fight forever until one of them manages to find some way of hurting the other, and because I think Blain will have a small edge in skill I'd expect him to be the one to find that way. But Calamity only knows how long that would take. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 With Invocation not having stuck around, having control over his sanity should be literally effortless, so I'm not sure why you mentioned it at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 With Invocation not having stuck around, having control over his sanity should be literally effortless, so I'm not sure why you mentioned it at all. If you don't think SANITY is an advantage in any given situation then you're dead wrong. Take it from someone who has to struggle with sanity every day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 If you don't think SANITY is an advantage in any given situation then you're dead wrong. Take it from someone who has to struggle with sanity every day. Agreed, I've been there, even if it's not every day, and it's no small matter. Sanity is something we take for granted usually, but not once you've come close to losing it. jW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antgrgmn Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Couldn't Steelheart be drowned? I thought his only PI was impenetrable skin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 2 hours ago, antgrgmn said: Couldn't Steelheart be drowned? I thought his only PI was impenetrable skin. He's superstrong, can fly, and shoots energy beams from his hands. Good luck drowning him. But yes, if you could pull it off somehow, I assume he can drown. jW 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antgrgmn Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Just now, Jondesu said: He's superstrong, can fly, and shoots energy beams from his hands. Good luck drowning him. But yes, if you could pull it off somehow, I assume he can drown. jW Wouldn't this make him NOT be classified as a High Epic? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Just now, antgrgmn said: Wouldn't this make him NOT be classified as a High Epic? He still has a Prime Invincibility, and would still be nearly impossible to kill without figuring out his weakness. I don't recall any reason that would disqualify him as a High Epic. jW 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedancer Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 2 hours ago, antgrgmn said: Couldn't Steelheart be drowned? I thought his only PI was impenetrable skin. In chapter 13 of Steelheart Steelheart is described as Quote utterly impervious to bullets, edged weapons, fire, radiation, blunt trauma, suffocation, and explosions so no, he can not be drowned. Impenetrable skin is somewhat of a miss nomer. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Nice quote, I'd forgotten that detail. Yeah, sounds like he was truly invincible apart from his one weakness. jW 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonorIsDead Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 On 2016-07-06 at 2:42 PM, Jondesu said: He's superstrong, can fly, and shoots energy beams from his hands. Good luck drowning him. But yes, if you could pull it off somehow, I assume he can drown. jW couldn't they just have gassed him or burned him or something then, that seems like it would be too easy, all they would have do to would be trap him and light him on fire, surely some one would have tried that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonorIsDead Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) On 2016-07-06 at 2:57 PM, Edgedancer said: In chapter 13 of Steelheart Steelheart is described as so no, he can not be drowned. Impenetrable skin is somewhat of a miss nomer. yep, but what about gassing him, it seems to easy but it wouldn't have fallen under any of those peramiters Edited July 23, 2016 by The_God_King 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 8 hours ago, The_God_King said: couldn't they just have gassed him or burned him or something then, that seems like it would be too easy, all they would have do to would be trap him and light him on fire, surely some one would have tried that. How exactly do you propose to trap him in the first place? Good luck even getting him in a situation for gas or fire to be tested (and no, I very much doubt impenetrable skin would burn, and gas fails if he doesn't need to breath). jW 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonorIsDead Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Jondesu said: How exactly do you propose to trap him in the first place? Good luck even getting him in a situation for gas or fire to be tested (and no, I very much doubt impenetrable skin would burn, and gas fails if he doesn't need to breath). jW well it wouldn't be hard to get him into a trap, they just have to bait him like they did in the book, into a trap room, as per his energy blasts i'm sure with the right money they could buy something like titanium (or simply steal it) that even he wouldn't just be able to blast through and to use as the walls then simply gas him. you are however right, I didn't think about the fact that he could just hold his breath forever and have no problem until he eventually melted even something as strong as titanium. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneSpren Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 On 7/6/2016 at 9:17 AM, antgrgmn said: Couldn't Steelheart be drowned? I thought his only PI was impenetrable skin. I was wondering if anyone knew why Deathpoint couldn't kill Steelheart. Is his power to specifically desintegrate skin or something? Because it says in the book it only made a hole in Steelheart's outfit when he pointed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonorIsDead Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, WayneSpren said: I was wondering if anyone knew why Deathpoint couldn't kill Steelheart. Is his power to specifically desintegrate skin or something? Because it says in the book it only made a hole in Steelheart's outfit when he pointed. since death point disintegrates every thing but the bones maybe his power starts on the out side and works its way in, destroying flesh, then muscles and tendons and stuff, if that's it when he pointed it would start with his impenetrable skin and would have gotten stopped there seeing as it couldn't burn through the first layer it needed to in order to get to the rest of the body, it seems like a fairly stable theory, at least IMO, I have no actual proof though seeing as he died like five minutes into the book Edited July 27, 2016 by The_God_King 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 On 7/23/2016 at 3:41 PM, The_God_King said: well it wouldn't be hard to get him into a trap, they just have to bait him like they did in the book, into a trap room, as per his energy blasts i'm sure with the right money they could buy something like titanium (or simply steal it) that even he wouldn't just be able to blast through and to use as the walls then simply gas him. Problem is, it doesn't matter how strong the sides of the trap are. He can turn any inorganic material into steel. So even if you somehow built the trap with diamond walls, he'd simply turn the diamond into steel, and burst out of the trap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonorIsDead Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 On 2016-09-08 at 1:47 AM, junior said: Problem is, it doesn't matter how strong the sides of the trap are. He can turn any inorganic material into steel. So even if you somehow built the trap with diamond walls, he'd simply turn the diamond into steel, and burst out of the trap. true, but his power doesn't work well on metal, so titanium might not transform 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szmit Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 On 19.09.2016 at 1:16 PM, HonorIsDead said: true, but his power doesn't work well on metal, so titanium might not transform Titanium's only advantage over steel is that it has half the weight while having the same strength, as good steel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yitzi2 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'm betting on the one who naturally engages the other's weakness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan_rd Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Well a DC comic equivalent was Superman verses his evil alternate reality Ultraman. Superman won based on fight experience as Ultraman normally just killed his opponent, thus never really learning how to properly fight a tough enemy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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