Cinder Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Could sazed be born from a woman, like tehlu in kkc? It's a weird question I know but I was wondering if this is possible. I'm new so sorry if this has been brought up before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I suppose he may creates a "puppet" to move and control like he wishes. But actually it will be just a remote controlled robot. He himself posses to much Investiture to actually reincarnate in Blood & Flesh, his own body was vaporizated from the Colossal amount of Investiture after all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus52980 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Was his body really vaoprized? After all, when Ati and Laras died, they left their bodies behind... did those get recreated some how? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I suppose he may creates a "puppet" to move and control like he wishes. But actually it will be just a remote controlled robot. He himself posses to much Investiture to actually reincarnate in Blood & Flesh, his own body was vaporizated from the Colossal amount of Investiture after all. This is not something that we have ever had 100% confirmed as far as I know. Best I can tell, a Vessel's body is more or less in cold storage in the Cognitive Realm and would be released back into the Physical Realm upon their death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PallonianFire Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) I really like this idea. If a Shard has the capability of, perhaps, Investing some of itself in a human body and going around in the Physical Realm, it might have some real implications for Trell. Edited February 11, 2016 by PallonianFire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus52980 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 This is not something that we have ever had 100% confirmed as far as I know. Best I can tell, a Vessel's body is more or less in cold storage in the Cognitive Realm and would be released back into the Physical Realm upon their death. Or prehaps upon relinquishing of the shard (Since we have not seen that happen yet) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopen Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) I really like this idea. If a Shard has the capability of, perhaps, Investing some of itself in a human body and going around in the Physical Realm, it might have some real implications for Trell. if Trell were the avatar of a shard, which shard would that be? Anyone other than Odium? Edited February 10, 2016 by Lopen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 if Trell were the avatar of a shard, which shard would that be? Anyone other than Odium? Autonomy is the running guess... So Bavadin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hwiles Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Wasn't the projection/puppet Ruin used to torment Vin (posing as her older brother) able to use allomancy? He could apparently only be seen by people with spikes, but it seemed like he was able to walk around and physically affect the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PallonianFire Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Autonomy is the running guess... So Bavadin. Bingo. It would solve some logistical issues with...certain things. Like worldhopping to Scadrial to start religions without ticking off Ruin or Preservation by shoving a whole Shard in their faces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 It's an interesting thought and could explain some stuff going on in Mistborn. At the same time, Honor implies in Words of Radiance that it's possible to force a Shard to appoint a champion for their cause which will bind Odium in some way. I wonder if that might not be a potential mark against the idea since it sounds like a somewhat similar idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinder Posted February 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 The champion suggestion in storm light is what made me wonder. But I really started thinking about it during my read of elantris. There's a guy that spreads religion around, I think it's called shu dereth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Well, technically a shard's "body" is just a physical manifestation of their power. Like atium for ruin, et cetera. So at this point we examine the distinction between a shard and a human shardholder. When a human takes up a shard, their physical, cognitive, and spiritual aspects are possibly absorbed into the shard. It would make sense then that upon death the physical body re-separates out. All this being said, I think a shardholder's presence is basically completely bonded to the shard. So they would have a hard time actually inhabiting the physical realm in one location. If they were in fact able to, they might well be able to remain un-vaporized, but then those nearby might be vaporized in this case. And I suspect if a second shard nearby were to oppose such a manifestation they could prevent you from becoming physically present. So I doubt a shard could actually undergo such a process. Interesting and slightly related question: can a shardholder give up the power of a shard without dying? I don't mean like just temporarily stepping in like a sliver might. I mean an actual permanent shardholder. So for example, what if Sazed tried to step down from being harmony? Could he just walk away as a normal person and leave the two powers without a holder, if he wanted to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Bard Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I really like this idea. If a Shard has the capability of, perhaps, Investing some of itself in a human body and going around in the Physical Realm, it might have some real implications for Trell. Please put this in spoiler tags. I've read the book you're referencing, but others may not have. Edited February 11, 2016 by The Young Bard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Interesting and slightly related question: can a shardholder give up the power of a shard without dying? I don't mean like just temporarily stepping in like a sliver might. I mean an actual permanent shardholder. So for example, what if Sazed tried to step down from being harmony? Could he just walk away as a normal person and leave the two powers without a holder, if he wanted to? I suppose a Shardholder may does it, without any kind of problem (of course if somebody in the Shard's Intent don't prevent him to do something like that). For example Odium want to be the powerful being in the Cosmere, He can't give up his power i suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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