Argent Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 I've been going through the December tweets, I found one exchange noteworthy. Apparently there are some spren on Scadrial. Actual authentic Rosharan spren. Did we know this? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze1616 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 I would assume this to be true, since the two locations are connected, I presume there would be travel. Particularly when you consider the distances are so much shorter in Shadesmar. It would be like a Rosharan moving from Alethkar to the Reshi Isles. It would be near ludicrous if there wasn't movement, considering we know of nothing that would inhibit the travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Whats driving me crazy is I instantly want to know what type of spren are there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted January 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 It makes some sense, but I don't see any reasons for spren to just up and go to the next planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze1616 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 It makes some sense, but I don't see any reasons for spren to just up and go to the next planet. When they are curious enough to risk their lives bonding to a Rosharan for the sake of experience, do they need any reason other than curiosity? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Do we know what spren there are? Or if we see them at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBambam Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 I believe we did because of this tweet. But I don't believe the spren would appear in the physical realm on Scadrial, only in the cognitive, which we haven't seen yet on Scadrial to my knowledge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneKEA Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Is it even worth referring to them as spren? Someone once characterized Scadrial as a very Investiture-poor world in comparison to Roshar, so I'm not sure if it's possible for a spren to even exist in the same fashion on Scadrial, in any of the three realms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Is it even worth referring to them as spren? Someone once characterized Scadrial as a very Investiture-poor world in comparison to Roshar, so I'm not sure if it's possible for a spren to even exist in the same fashion on Scadrial, in any of the three realms. The impression I got was that they are spren from Roshar that worldhopped to Scadrial. So regardless whether it is investiture high or not, spren are still spren. Just like if an earthling went to mars, regardless the composition of mars, the earthling is still an earthling. But that is my own interpretation. Edited January 14, 2016 by Pathfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwelfthOfSnackTime Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 I wonder what emotions or things attracted them so much that they went so far out of their own world to do whatever spren do when they find what attracts them. Maybe some kind of metal spren? electricity spren must be pretty bored on Roshar. Would a Soother/Rioter be able to manage enough emotion for emotion spren to come hunting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurisses Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 This thread made me think... Spren are not simply attracted to specific forces or behaviours. Spren are also sometimes, in some vague way, created from people's cognitive perception and belief of them. Remember the annotation: "Spook was the only one in the crew he could speak to. That’s because Spook truly has faith in Kelsier as a deity" So it might be possible that a condition for spren to travel to other planets is people's belief in them, which would tie in with Trellism... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Could the spren just be bonded to the worldhoppers themselves? The question didn't state at what point in time are the spren there. So it could be during the wax and wayne series after the first 5 stormlight books, or it could even be in the future series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 iBambam – Spren do NOT exist in the Cognitive Realm. Only ideas reside there. Ideas do not become spren (“living ideas” according to Jasnah) UNTIL they migrate to the Physical Realm. (Btw, is your name a Flintstones' reference?) I’m inclined to agree with Pathfinder. The spren are probably bonded to a Worldhopper who is either a native Rosharan or who visited Roshar and became bonded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 iBambam – Spren do NOT exist in the Cognitive Realm. Only ideas reside there. Ideas do not become spren (“living ideas” according to Jasnah) UNTIL they migrate to the Physical Realm. (Btw, is your name a Flintstones' reference?) I’m inclined to agree with Pathfinder. The spren are probably bonded to a Worldhopper who is either a native Rosharan or who visited Roshar and became bonded. I think spren politicians in Shadesmar homes everywhere who wouldn't dream of entering the physical to be killed by some backstabbing surgebinder would want to have a word with you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 If I'm not wrong, there is a WoB about "There is Spren everywhere in the Cosmere (lesser Spren), but only on Roshar you may see them". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirTraconus Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Isn't Kelsier basically a spren now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted January 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Kelsier is a cognitive shadow, same as (or at least very similar to) the Stormfather. And while the latter calls himself a spren, I think we have a WoB that he is not entirely correct. Cognitive shadows, the way I understand them, are kind of like "people spren", which makes them so much more than regular spren. Kind of how a water puddle and the ocean are both bodies of water, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Kelsier is a cognitive shadow, same as (or at least very similar to) the Stormfather. And while the latter calls himself a spren, I think we have a WoB that he is not entirely correct. Cognitive shadows, the way I understand them, are kind of like "people spren", which makes them so much more than regular spren. Kind of how a water puddle and the ocean are both bodies of water, I think. The Stormfather is both a spren and a cognitive Shadow. He was a "simple" Spren long before Tanavast's Death (knowed as Rider of the Storm) and in some way he became also the Tanavast's Shadow (probably the true ghost merged with the Rider of the Storm, but we can't be sure about). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardjet Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 iBambam – Spren do NOT exist in the Cognitive Realm. Only ideas reside there. Ideas do not become spren (“living ideas” according to Jasnah) UNTIL they migrate to the Physical Realm. (Btw, is your name a Flintstones' reference?) I’m inclined to agree with Pathfinder. The spren are probably bonded to a Worldhopper who is either a native Rosharan or who visited Roshar and became bonded. Erm, just a clarification here. Spren DO exist in the Cognitive Realm. That's where they live. Remember seeing Pattern and Ivory in Shadesmar, with their too-stiff cloaks, and Ivory's oily/prismatic sheen? Remember when Shallan and Pattern are there, and a huge Spren flies overhead, and Pattern calls it a fearspren? WoB: SATSUONITell us something new about Cognitive Realm, please BRANDON SANDERSONYou will get plenty in the next Stormlight book. But more than one type of spren live there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted January 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 The Stormfather is both a spren and a cognitive Shadow. He was a "simple" Spren long before Tanavast's Death (knowed as Rider of the Storm) and in some way he became also the Tanavast's Shadow (probably the true ghost merged with the Rider of the Storm, but we can't be sure about). I am going to need to a WoB on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 I am going to need to a WoB on this one. I have a RAFO for you! But I do agree with Yata. Eshonai implies heavily that the Rider of Storms was around before humans (and thus Honor/Cultivation?) showed up. He's sort of essential to the listener's transformation process, and the listeners were definitely around before H/C were. We also have this bit, noting the Stormfather "absorbed" something from Honor: Q [17:15]: Does the spren have to be present for a Surgebinder to have their abilities? Because with Dalinar, the Stormfather won’t be around all the time... A: Good Question! Fortunately, the Stormfather is a little more omnipresent. Normally you’re gonna have to have your spren close, but the Stormfather absorbed... is basically Honor’s cognitive shadow, which means he’s got a connection to a lot of different things, so he’s not bound by a lot of the rules that others are. (source) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted January 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 I see. I could buy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 I am going to need to a WoB on this one. The Listeners know the Stormfather as Rider of the Storm, and they said He was one of the Spren that betrayed them, giving their power to the Humans. Therefore the Stormfather existence (at least as Rider of the Storm) predate the Honor's Death (and maybe the H&C arrive on Roshar at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Moridin Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) I have a RAFO for you! But I do agree with Yata. Eshonai implies heavily that the Rider of Storms was around before humans (and thus Honor/Cultivation?) showed up. He's sort of essential to the listener's transformation process, and the listeners were definitely around before H/C were. We also have this bit, noting the Stormfather "absorbed" something from Honor: Don't we have a "recent" WoB that implies humans were on Roshar before the Shattering? Found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/3suo4l/oathbringer_i_think_flashback_dalinar_is_based/cx1nfdk Edited January 15, 2016 by Master_Moridin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Don't we have a "recent" WoB that implies humans were on Roshar before the Shattering? Found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/3suo4l/oathbringer_i_think_flashback_dalinar_is_based/cx1nfdk The WoB only indicates humans and listeners existed before the Shattering, not that humans existed on Roshar before the Shattering. We have many indications this was not the case, such as the listeners being called the "ancient ones" and the Vorin teachings that mankind arrived on Roshar after being forced from the Tranquiline Halls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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