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I dont think this would be possible.  Basically, Soulcasting is convincing an item to change its material nature.  Assuming the Law of Conservation of Matter applies in the Cosmere, converting an object from itself (matter) to Investiture (energy) would require a nuclear reaction of sufficient force to obliterate not only the Soulcaster, but a good chunk of the surrounding countryside.  Also, as far as we know, Soulcasting is strictly matter-to-matter transformation

 

If this was possible, though, it does create an interesting idea where you could Soulcast someone else's metalmind and deny them whatever was stored in there.  What would happen if you were to do this to a nicrosilmind?

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I dont think this would be possible. Basically, Soulcasting is convincing an item to change its material nature. Assuming the Law of Conservation of Matter applies in the Cosmere, converting an object from itself (matter) to Investiture (energy) would require a nuclear reaction of sufficient force to obliterate not only the Soulcaster, but a good chunk of the surrounding countryside. Also, as far as we know, Soulcasting is strictly matter-to-matter transformation

If this was possible, though, it does create an interesting idea where you could Soulcast someone else's metalmind and deny them whatever was stored in there. What would happen if you were to do this to a nicrosilmind?

The problem is that investiture isn't really enegy in many of its forms, while not being exactly matter either in others. You can create things out of pure investiture, like atium beads, but it also seems to manifest in the form of a wave or even an attribute of an object.

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The problem is that investiture isn't really enegy in many of its forms, while not being exactly matter either in others. You can create things out of pure investiture, like atium beads, but it also seems to manifest in the form of a wave or even an attribute of an object.

From HoA:

It may seem odd to those reading this that atium was part of the body of a god. However, it is necessary to understand that when we said “body” we generally meant “power.” As my mind has expanded, I’ve come to realize that objects and energy are actually composed of the very same things, and can change state from one to another.

The Cosmere, like the real world, has matter-energy equivalence. This is why the power of creation can exist as matter and as energy (and also as Cognitive attributes and perhaps other things as well; the equivalence is actually broadened in the Cosmere).

So theoretically speaking, matter should be able to transform into Stormlight. Or not so theoretically, since Lift is already able to perform this transformation on food.

But since we're talking about Soulcasters, I'd like to point out two problems: First, we don't know how much Stormlight a Soulcaster would need to transform matter into Stormlight. It would be impractical if they end up using more Stormlight than they'll produce. Second, we also don't know which type of gemstone they would use to transform something to Stormlight. I'd guess diamonds, as Navani had light fabrials in WoR made of diamond.

Fortunately, the darkness had been pushed back somewhat, as Navani had sent fabrials to bathe the battlefield in an extraordinarily even white light.

...

“Dalinar?” Aladar asked, trotting his horse over. Lit by a large diamond—stolen from one of Navani’s fabrial lights, it seemed...

But then, I could be wrong, since neither light nor any form of energy is listed under the Soulcasting properties of diamond/Lucentia.

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From HoA:

The Cosmere, like the real world, has matter-energy equivalence. This is why the power of creation can exist as matter and as energy (and also as Cognitive attributes and perhaps other things as well; the equivalence is actually broadened in the Cosmere).

So theoretically speaking, matter should be able to transform into Stormlight. Or not so theoretically, since Lift is already able to perform this transformation on food.

But since we're talking about Soulcasters, I'd like to point out two problems: First, we don't know how much Stormlight a Soulcaster would need to transform matter into Stormlight. It would be impractical if they end up using more Stormlight than they'll produce. Second, we also don't know which type of gemstone they would use to transform something to Stormlight. I'd guess diamonds, as Navani had light fabrials in WoR made of diamond.

But then, I could be wrong, since neither light nor any form of energy is listed under the Soulcasting properties of diamond/Lucentia.

Might have just used diamonds as they're mentioned a few times for providing the best light to see by because of the lack of color.

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So theoretically speaking, matter should be able to transform into Stormlight. Or not so theoretically, since Lift is already able to perform this transformation on food.

 

Lift transforms food to Stormlight in the sense that Allomancers get Investiture from metals. So it's not quite the same thing.

 

Source:

Argent: Does Lift turn food into investiture directly or is it similar to the metals on--

Brandon: Similar to the metals.

Argent: So like a gate?

Brandon: Yes.

Argent: Okay, that’s good to know.

Brandon: She can metabolize-- She can draw--  It’s not actually the food, it’s--  It’s not like the metals, not exactly.  It’s not--  What she can do is she can metabolize into investiture instead of sugar.  Does that make sense?

Argent: Yeah.

Brandon: We metabolize food into sugar.  She can metabolize it into investiture.  Does that make sense?

Argent: That makes a lot of sense.  So if she eats--

Brandon: She’s got to have a blood sugar spike.

Argent: So if she eats like a cake it will give her more investiture--

Brandon: Faster .  It will give her faster.

Argent: Whereas if she eats a vegetable...

Brandon: Vegetable...  More calories is going to equal more.  But the better comparison would be a sausage and bread.  Because bread is a fast blood sugar spike and the sausage is not.  And that’s how I’m working in my head.  It’s kind of a magical version of a blood sugar spike and I have it happen to her faster than it could happen.  Like normally you eat a piece of bread and your blood sugar spikes in a half hour, it’s going to go faster for Lift.

Argent: Her’s is like five minutes.

Brandon: Her’s is like five minutes, but a sausage would be slower.

 

Re-reading the passage, it's not actually as certain as I thought, though! I guess I retract my over-confident statement. Brandon's pretty wishy-washy here.

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Lift transforms food to Stormlight in the sense that Allomancers get Investiture from metals. So it's not quite the same thing.

 

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Re-reading the passage, it's not actually as certain as I thought, though! I guess I retract my over-confident statement. Brandon's pretty wishy-washy here.

Reading this has me imagining Lift eating a bowl of chocolate frosted sugar bombs from the old Calvin and Hobbes strips.

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I thought of another problem regarding matter-Stormlight Soulcasting. If only a Soulcasting fabrial is used, how would the user collect the resulting Stormlight? It would probably just dissipate away. I'm not even sure a Surgebinder could infuse himself with Stormlight that is in the air instead of on a gemstone (though he might, since Kaladin gained Stormlight directly from the Invested air of a highstorm).

Perhaps if there's a gemstone near the transformed object (e.g. the Soulcaster fabrial's gemstone), it might manage to attract at least some of the Stormlight. *shrugs*

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It's probably easier in a highstorm though. It's literally a mass of investiture in there, the stormlight would essentially fully saturate the area. The stormlight has nowhere else to go except the edges of the storm, radiants, and gems. That's like trying to breathe from an oxygen tank just opened vaguely near your mouth trying to suck it in, while in space, as opposed to being in a room full of air. The concentration is probably far more substantial in a highstorm.

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I thought of another problem regarding matter-Stormlight Soulcasting. If only a Soulcasting fabrial is used, how would the user collect the resulting Stormlight? It would probably just dissipate away. I'm not even sure a Surgebinder could infuse himself with Stormlight that is in the air instead of on a gemstone (though he might, since Kaladin gained Stormlight directly from the Invested air of a highstorm).

Perhaps if there's a gemstone near the transformed object (e.g. the Soulcaster fabrial's gemstone), it might manage to attract at least some of the Stormlight. *shrugs*

Well if a soulcaster is going to soulcast stormlight into stormlight, I would assume they have other Radiants around who needed it, and couldnt get it, somehow. But it seems kinda redundant. Unless the soulcaster acts as a sort of stormlight water well.
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So I've been thinking about this.  As much as it sounds like a good hack of the system,  I don't think it will work.  On the surface it seems like the compounding that we see in Scadrial.  However that took two magic systems to work.  Now soulcasting an awakened object to turn the breaths to stormlight,  that maybe.   I just don't see it possible in the one magic system by itself.  

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Soulcasting Breaths to stormlight is a waste. Better soulcast Stormlight to Breaths.

Situational,  but overall my point was I could see soulcasting being used to hack more investiture from another system,  maybe,  but not being able to hack more investiture out of it's own magic system.

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