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Allomancy and Technology (Not Mechanical Allomancy)


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In my (admittedly brief) search, I saw no such topic.

Therefore:

This is a topic for brainstorming neat ways to combine Allomancy and technology.

To start, the idea that inspired the topic: Steelpushing and squirrel suits/gliding devices! You could fly without metal infrastructure, and perhaps even use coins with parachutes for additional height/maneuverability.

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The Alloy of Law supplement for the Mistborn Adventure Game says this about electricity production:

 

Electric production is a growth industry. Just outside Elendel, the first of
three planned power plants has been constructed. The massive plant uses teams
of Coinshots and Lurchers to spin the generators that provide power. The iron
and steel burned by the Mistings is far cheaper than powering the plant by coal
or other means, since coal is reserved for use in smaller turbines, such as those in
steam engines
 (Alloy of Law MAG Page 206)

 
Also there are hints all throughout the AoL supplement that something hinky is going on in the Southern Roughs. Whether that is canon foreshadowing/breadcrumbs or just idea seeds for Narrators... I don't think we know.
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Coinshots and Lurchers have the biggest amount of technological integration, if only because they have the most obvious effect on metal. In addition, many examples of Coinshot/Lurcher innovations have already been mentioned.  Therefore, let us look toward the other types of Mistings.  (Also, I'm assuming we're staying in Era 2)

 

Pewter: Anything that requires force - A millstone is the quickest answer that comes to mind, although there are undoubtedly others.

Tin: Patterns of flashing lights delivering messages of vital import can be picked up by Tineyes, which has communications applications from the military to the private sector.  Of course, these patterns would need to be signaled by a distinctive sound of some kind, so that the lookouts in question would know to start their dictation.

Zinc/Brass:  I believe its use as a psychological aid was mentioned either by Steris or by the broadsheet reproduced in Alloy of Law, as was Brass.  Also, its use as a political campaign aid would be fantastic.  (Just don't actually run for office without the ability to cover up your Allomancy.  Only thing worse than a smear campaign would be one that happens to be true)

Copper/Bronze: Useless outside of hiding/tracking Allomancy/Investiture.  

Aluminum: Possibly useful as an antidote for, say, a deleterious method of Investiture?  Maybe it heals the spirit like how Gold Compounding heals the body?  (Might be useful for repairing Hemalurgic spiritweb damage)

The rest of that entire quadrant is useless outside of an Allomantic combat situation, except for duralumin, which is entirely useless outside of being a Mistborn.  

Cadmium and Bendalloy are widely considered to be the seeds of FTL travel in the cosmere, but we have no idea how, and it is probably impossible outside of mechanical allomancy.  

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Copper/Bronze: Useless outside of hiding/tracking Allomancy/Investiture.  

 

A copper misting is immune to Emotional Allomancy, like it said in AoL is a great "skill" to any role of power (es. government).

 

About the Inutility of Chrome and Nicrosil, they are indeed quite usefull in the "everyday life":

 

Chrome: With Steel or Iron to support are quite 100% searches method (No Hidden metal outside or inside).

 

Nicrosil: Could be used to focused the Strenght of other (and maybe weak) Misting. Therefore through Nicrosil also weak misting could be usefull to the Society-needed-work (like in the power plan). Remember that a single Nicrosil Misting could "help" a lot of misting in short time.

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Pewter can only really decrease labour costs by hiring one stronger guy instead of two non-mistings, tin isn't really useful in any kind of technological development other than maybe being better able to perform maintenance by noticing less obvious flaws in equipment.

Other than the physical metals the temporal metals are the only ones which could really effect machinery so Bendalloy and Cadmium could obviously speed or slow certain technologies as desired (A Bendalloy bubble to speed up an engine could result in a faster train for instance while Cadmium bubbles might be used to slow undesirable effects like heat loss) gold is not likely to be useful though Electrum might be good for similar reasons to tin, spotting potential problems before they happen, perhaps they'd be required once workplace health and safety becomes a concern in Scadrial.

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As is anyone wearing a hat witn an aluminium-foil layer, which seams like the much safer method.

It's true, i didn't think about it.

The Alluminum-Hat is more simple and usable by anyone.

But the Copper is "safer", while you feel the Copper's burning you are sure to be Immune, while the hat can be stolen/manipulated/switched/ecc...

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It's true, i didn't think about it.

The Alluminum-Hat is more simple and usable by anyone.

But the Copper is "safer", while you feel the Copper's burning you are sure to be Immune, while the hat can be stolen/manipulated/switched/ecc...

Except when you are up against a Mistborn with Duralumin or a combo with a Nicroburster to pierce your bubble, which I'm not sure if that could be done against aluminium.

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burning bendalloy near generators to increase electricity production. Unless that would fry wire outside the bubble.

This is actually a really good point that I hadn't thought about before but Bendalloy would mess with electricity quite a bit, it would create an area of relatively much higher current, unless the entire stream of electrons considers itself to be one object and so isn't affected by bubbles unless they encompass the whole wire but then once enough people understood subatomic particles would that change? So just one day enough people start thinking of electrons as individual enough that it changes their cognitive identity and suddenly bendalloy bubbles start causing power failures and surges all over the place :P

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How would that help? If the problem is just making more electricity at once, wouldn't building a second generator be cheaper than having bendalloy burn constantly? A generator in a speed-bubble will burn through fuel at a rate proportional to the amount of electricity you're getting.

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The whole generator thing is useless. Bendalloy will not increase the generators production because whatever is powering the generator (dam, steam plant, etc..) is outside the bubble.   Even if it was say diesel fuel and run all inside the bubble, you are just limited by the amount of fuel you have.  

 

If the problem is more electricity just build bigger generators. Using bandalloy will not give you "free energy".   Even if you made a bubble big enough to cover a river and dam, your still limited by the water supply outside the bubble.  

 

This might be useful in nuclear generators if, like other people have pointed out, it actually works.  Oh and nuclear generator would have a bad side effect of killing the pulsar close enough to get the core inside of his bubble so you would need a lot of pulsars and lead suits. 

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Actually, bendalloy could increase the energy you get from solar. Bendalloy bubbles don't cause the world to go dim, so they must be producing more photons in order to keep the inside of the bubble at the same brightness.

 

(i say this not entirely seriously, can we please not discuss time bubble mechanics ever again)

 

(dante was wrong, there are ten circles of hell, and the tenth circle is where people try to figure out how photons interact with time bubbles)

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The whole generator thing is useless. Bendalloy will not increase the generators production because whatever is powering the generator (dam, steam plant, etc..) is outside the bubble.   Even if it was say diesel fuel and run all inside the bubble, you are just limited by the amount of fuel you have.  

 

If the problem is more electricity just build bigger generators. Using bandalloy will not give you "free energy".   Even if you made a bubble big enough to cover a river and dam, your still limited by the water supply outside the bubble.  

 

This might be useful in nuclear generators if, like other people have pointed out, it actually works.  Oh and nuclear generator would have a bad side effect of killing the pulsar close enough to get the core inside of his bubble so you would need a lot of pulsars and lead suits. 

Pulsers*

Putting a pulsar inside a nuclear plant would definitely be a bad idea :P

But actually I think you meant Sliders in any event, Pulsers are Cadmium mistings.

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Pulsers*

Putting a pulsar inside a nuclear plant would definitely be a bad idea :P

But actually I think you meant Sliders in any event, Pulsers are Cadmium mistings.

 

Yes definitely meant sliders :)              

 

Truth be told, I don't think Brandon has 100% of the physics of his world figured out, he probably would have to think about it and come up with something like "light isn't effected by slider bubbles" or something.  

 

However I'm just inclined to think Sliders cannot do anything to produce more electricity than the energy put into production. You might get more electricity faster, but the input and output would always be the same energy. 

 

If in fact light inside and outside the bubble moves the same you might have an effective use for sliders and solar panels to produce more energy. 

 

However solar panels are very low output, and bendalloy burns quickly and is expensive if I remember correctly, so the one instance it's effective it's priced out as an option lol 

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Yes definitely meant sliders :)              

 

Truth be told, I don't think Brandon has 100% of the physics of his world figured out, he probably would have to think about it and come up with something like "light isn't effected by slider bubbles" or something.  

 

However I'm just inclined to think Sliders cannot do anything to produce more electricity than the energy put into production. You might get more electricity faster, but the input and output would always be the same energy. 

 

If in fact light inside and outside the bubble moves the same you might have an effective use for sliders and solar panels to produce more energy. 

 

However solar panels are very low output, and bendalloy burns quickly and is expensive if I remember correctly, so the one instance it's effective it's priced out as an option lol 

 

I think Peter (or someone) came up with "light isn't affected by time bubbles" because otherwise Wayne would microwave people whenever he burned bendalloy.  

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I'm sure the books mention red and blue shift inside bubbles at some point?

 

I think the most useful ability technology wise would be a brass compounder- infinite heat means infinite power.

Nope, Brandon was going to include it but then someone pointed out it would result in accidentally microwaving people :P

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