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Vasher has been shown to drain the color from black objects; would it be possible to drain the color from Nightblood to fuel Awakening? Or would Nightblood be considered to be alive, in the same way that you can't drain from living plants, animals and people?

 

On that note, is it Investiture that prevents an Awakener from draining from something? If that's so, it should be possible to drain color from drabs and impossible to drain from Awakened objects, while plants and animals would have Breath. Is anything stated in relation to draining from Drabs and Awakened objects?

 

Perhaps the servant Vasher had cut had become a drab, since Nightblood somehow drained the color from his hand. But why, in that case, wasn't it noticed? Perhaps Nightblood 'corrupted' the Breath, making it provide no resistance against Awakenings, but still visible to people above the First Heightening.

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Drabs still have some Investiture, it's (part of) what makes them sentient.

Awakened Objects, including Nightblood, can't be drained if color

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I would guess that Night blood is black in part because he absorbs breath, soul and, color from a victim. We know that the black liquid and smoke are corrupted breath so its possible that the color is a similar off shoot. Night blood is more likely to just absorb the breath you are trying to use to awaken something.

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Drabs still have some Investiture, it's (part of) what makes them sentient.

 

Meaning that Denth had lied - Awakening is not 'all or nothing'. A drab might still have a small fragment of a Breath to keep itself sentient.

 

Or, it might just be the innate Endowment keeping them sentient, in the same way that Scadrialites have innate Preservation and Ruin to give them sentience.

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Meaning that Denth had lied - Awakening is not 'all or nothing'. A drab might still have a small fragment of a Breath to keep itself sentient.

Or, it might just be the innate Endowment keeping them sentient, in the same way that Scadrialites have innate Preservation and Ruin to give them sentience.

We already know Denth lied without even consulting the annotations (I think that's where Sanderson outright says it?) from the fact that Vasher would've died at least three times over otherwise.

But the breath does not make up the entire spiritweb anyway, or you'd simply die from your soul being severed.

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I, for one, wouldn't want Nightblood anywhere near my Breath.  :lol:

 

I am a little curious, though, about whether you could use the black smoke Nightblood gives off as an infinite source of colour. We only ever see characters drawing colour from solids, but there isn't any reason (apart from rarity?) that they can't do the same with coloured liquids and gases. If Nightblood's blood is even an actual gas. Maybe it's something else. Maybe it's an absence, which would make the whole thing very awkward.

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Vasher uses the colour of his own bled out blood to Awaken at least once, so liquids can be used as a colour source.

I remember that happening, but I thought it had long since dried up.

 

Now that I think of it, though, is it possible to draw colour from, say, a freshly plucked flower (the cells would still be alive), or to make Lifeless plants (although I don't know why anyone would want to)?

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I remember that happening, but I thought it had long since dried up.

Now that I think of it, though, is it possible to draw colour from, say, a freshly plucked flower (the cells would still be alive), or to make Lifeless plants (although I don't know why anyone would want to)?

It was fresh from him being tortured. Not free-flowing, but not dried.

As for the flower... defining plant "death" is screwy at best, but my feeling would be no.

Bark is part of a living tree, but definitely dead, and can be drained of color, so I think we're working with a scientific definition of "alive" (ie: functional cell organelles)

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Biological death and physical death are different. Cells can be alive but its just a hunk of flesh. Kill something with a shardblade and you only kill the soul not the body brain is still alive even if its been burned out by a shardblade. So once blood left the body it will die/ is dead and is available cognitively for use. No longer being attached to a soul is the key I believe. 

 

Do plants have a soul/SDNA?

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Wow, I just reread the bark segment and I was 100% completely backwards last night. Bark, which is 100% definitely dead, CANNOT be drained of Color. A stick, picked up off the ground, CAN be drained of Color (no good description of the stick to tell us how long it's been separated from the tree)

 

Warbreaker, Chapter 46, P517 eBook

 

Clearly, I should have gone to bed rather than posting...

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On that note, is it Investiture that prevents an Awakener from draining from something? If that's so, it should be possible to drain color from drabs

 

Meaning that Denth had lied - Awakening is not 'all or nothing'. A drab might still have a small fragment of a Breath to keep itself sentient.

 

the spark of life itself is a type of investiture, seperate from breath. it's quite possible to be completely without breath but still alive and sentient.

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Trying to get all the Investiture out of a living thing is like trying to get all the glitter out of your soup.

I know, right? It's awful. It's like, you have this perfectly good living thing but there's investiture all over it and stuffed into it and as much a you try to squeeze it out or rinse it off or scratch or scrape or dissolve it away, even if it looks like you finally managed to get all of it, the next time you look, bam, yet another flake of investiture right there where you could swear there wasn't any until a second ago.  :lol:

 

Now that I think of it, what happens if you try to make something that has no colour in it into a Lifeless? Like, say, a jellyfish? Does it work, and if so, where will it draw colour from?

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There's Investiture in everything in the Cosmere. Everything is alive and sentient to a certain extent (See Stick)*. However, only humans are sapient, that is, they have souls in the form of extra Investiture. Breath makes up a certain portion of this Investiture. I think that Drabs are still sapient, but lack a significant proportion of the Innate Investiture. 

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