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Okay, so it has been stated that storing youth does not make it so you can live for ever, but can you use it to live very very very very very very very very long? starting when your twelve every day spend three hours as an old person, never tapping this stored youth, and getting more armbands when one gets full. Then when you are approching middle age just slowly tap youth constantly. If you stored youth for 30 years three hours at a time you would end up with 3.5 years, not that impressive right? Both think of it this way, that would only be the case if you were tapping at the same rate as stirring. If you tapped at one tenth it get you 35 years. A twentieth 70! If used correctly and corrected of time you could stay middle aged for centuries!!!!!!!!!

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Remember that Feruchemy is essentially end-neutral.  You can never get out more than you put in.  You could conceivably "even out" your age somewhat throughout your life so as to spend less time aged and feeble, but you can't extend your life.

 

Unless, of course, you're Compounding.  Then all the rules fly out the window and settle in the garden to snack on daisies.

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Remember that Feruchemy is essentially end-neutral.  You can never get out more than you put in.  You could conceivably "even out" your age somewhat throughout your life so as to spend less time aged and feeble, but you can't extend your life.

 

Unless, of course, you're Compounding.  Then all the rules fly out the window and settle in the garden to snack on daisies.

You could extend it, if you spent your entire life appearing 80 years old then once you're 80 you could start tapping your massive stores and look to be 80 for another 80 years, effectively allowing you to live to 160.

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You could extend it, if you spent your entire life appearing 80 years old then once you're 80 you could start tapping your massive stores and look to be 80 for another 80 years, effectively allowing you to live to 160.

 

I stand corrected.  Assuming you've got some good longevity genes, that might work.  But it's risky; there's a lot that can go wrong at 80.  Osteoporosis, arthritis, heart disease, etc.  Heck, my father-in-law is 70, and he's had a pacemaker for a long, long time.

 

So now we're down to, "You can do this thing, but is it really worth it?"

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I stand corrected.  Assuming you've got some good longevity genes, that might work.  But it's risky; there's a lot that can go wrong at 80.  Osteoporosis, arthritis, heart disease, etc.  Heck, my father-in-law is 70, and he's had a pacemaker for a long, long time.

 

So now we're down to, "You can do this thing, but is it really worth it?"

There is that. It wouldn't guarantee that you live longer (In fact most people who did it would probably live shorter lives) but it would let it be possible at least.

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But over all health could be improved greatly extending your life, but remember age just makes you more susceptible to illness. Just staying 30 for 30 years could conceivably extend your life just by preventing the health effects of aging from damaging your life sooner.

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My understanding of Feruchemy is that you can't store more of an attribute than what you have. So a 5 yr old can't store enough to look 85. Since that would require him to store 75 years. But he could maybe look 10 if he stores all 5 of his current life span.

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My understanding of Feruchemy is that you can't store more of an attribute than what you have. So a 5 yr old can't store enough to look 85. Since that would require him to store 75 years. But he could maybe look 10 if he stores all 5 of his current life span.

 

Heh.  I can just see little kids doing that to make the "You must be this tall to ride" height requirements.

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My understanding of Feruchemy is that you can't store more of an attribute than what you have. So a 5 yr old can't store enough to look 85. Since that would require him to store 75 years. But he could maybe look 10 if he stores all 5 of his current life span.

But you're not storing how many years you've lived, you're storing your youth, otherwise storing age would be what makes you look younger and then any atium ferring could be immortal.

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But you're not storing how many years you've lived, you're storing your youth, otherwise storing age would be what makes you look younger and then any atium ferring could be immortal.

Maybe youth increases at an amount similar to old but old increases faster than youth and then stops at like 25 - 35.

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So, reading the OP, the logic seems to make sense. That atium ferrings could extend their lives. But shouldn't it not be possible? Since feruchemy is end neutral, shouldn't you not be able to live longer than normal. I've never really given atium feruchemy much though outside of TLR's compounding.

I'm not talking about the logic presented here in this thread, just the end result seems contrary to the basic principles of feruchemy.

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So, reading the OP, the logic seems to make sense. That atium ferrings could extend their lives. But shouldn't it not be possible? Since feruchemy is end neutral, shouldn't you not be able to live longer than normal. I've never really given atium feruchemy much though outside of TLR's compounding.

I'm not talking about the logic presented here in this thread, just the end result seems contrary to the basic principles of feruchemy.

That's just in reference to where the energy comes from, not what the end result is. Like with storing strength say you can store it when you don't need it and over the whole course of your life lift 2x more than you would have otherwise doesn't mean feruchemy's stopped being end neutral it just means you were being smart with when you stored vs when you tapped.

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That's just in reference to where the energy comes from, not what the end result is. Like with storing strength say you can store it when you don't need it and over the whole course of your life lift 2x more than you would have otherwise doesn't mean feruchemy's stopped being end neutral it just means you were being smart with when you stored vs when you tapped.

That makes sense. I guess I was confusing age/youth with lifespan.

 

Edit: its never been touched on in the books but does anyone have a theory of how it works for a prepubescent feruchemist to store youth and make himself an age that is post pubescent? His body is going to be larger and stronger and all that with the older body. so mass and strength is just gained while storing his youth?

Or maybe there's an unsavory effect of youth storage from a prepubescent feruchemist. Maybe the Terris people keep atium minds away from their young feruchemists. Maybe it's built into the magic system to be like an old looking child, Benjamin-button style :)

Thoughts?

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You do realize that treating age separately from youth is as nonsensical as treating heat and cold as different things?

 

Only a little see a spirit web must contain information on how old you are but age is not what is stored youth is. Unless you think that each person has a set level of youth at birth and then as they age things get off set. You can not treat them the same in the Cosmere. In the real world where cold is just the absence of heat/ molecular excitation and yes that age and youth are two sides of the same coin. Storing age makes more sense but that would allow you to live forever easily.

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Maybe it just causes instantaneous aging of the body with no effect on growth?

That seems likely to me because otherwise there would be an imbalance in feruchemy that young feruchemists would gain the strength of an older body by STORING youth which they'll all have rather than having to TAP pewter they've stored

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Only a little see a spirit web must contain information on how old you are but age is not what is stored youth is. Unless you think that each person has a set level of youth at birth and then as they age things get off set. You can not treat them the same in the Cosmere. In the real world where cold is just the absence of heat/ molecular excitation and yes that age and youth are two sides of the same coin. Storing age makes more sense but that would allow you to live forever easily.

The spiritweb doesn't really have to say anything about how old you are on the spiritweb, at least I can't think of a good reason it would be necessary. It's kind of pointless with all the ways for souls to live forever between biochroma, Heralds, Shards, and Kelsier just outright refusing to properly kick the bucket. The only real issue ever encountered that needs magic is to make the body stick around that long without all the genetic breakdown.

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The spiritweb doesn't really have to say anything about how old you are on the spiritweb, at least I can't think of a good reason it would be necessary. It's kind of pointless with all the ways for souls to live forever between biochroma, Heralds, Shards, and Kelsier just outright refusing to properly kick the bucket. The only real issue ever encountered that needs magic is to make the body stick around that long without all the genetic breakdown.

There'd have to be information on your Spirit web of your true age or else storing youth would get messed up. Storing youth has to be hardwritten somewhere to determine what age you return to once you stop tapping or storing an atiummind.

Thoughts?

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So my understanding is that in the spiritual realm this contains the base forms for life like human or cat or chupacabara. A part of this contains your ability to use any magics.

Yeah I think actually your age is something in the cognitive realm. Which is why Miles in AoL, even though he's immune to all decay and illness because of his gold compounding, would still age and die from age because he cognitively viewed himself as getting older. Despite aging being a problem of cellular decay or something like that.

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