Crazy stuff the Lord Ruler can do

[natc]

Well, leaving aside whatever it is that's strengthening his allomancy hemalurgy or otherwise (did he just make a "steel bubble" esque effect that affected glass?!?) just having all forms of feruchemical compounding can produce conceivably crazy results. And I'm trying to think of as many of those possible feats as possible.

Any creative ones? Besides fighting in bullet time 24/7? That's probably the obvious one really.

Edited April 20, 2015 by natc

[Lord Tavash Shar]

He could jump up and come down HULK SMASH style by compounding Pewter/Iron/Gold. 

Literally Hulk smash right through anything like its Tissue paper. Chew on that.

[dayman]

So he did have access to all the Alloy of Law metals? In that case it really is quite amazing how powerful he was. 

 

I suppose if he had gotten another crack at the Well he could have compounded Nicrosil and stored up the Well's power itself (wiki telling me that stores investiture). 

 

He would never have to breathe (cadmium) or eat (bendalloy) and is immortal (gold) ... is it conceivable he could shoot himself into space? 

 

But yeah, just the idea of bendalloy and atium on all the time (with no compounding) is impressive, mix with compounding whatever makes you think quicker and you could be a pretty unstoppable force in terms of everyone in slow-mo and you're super smart to know how to use the array of other powers you have perfectly. 

Edited April 12, 2015 by dayman

[Plaeggs]

I would say that though he could theoretically forego eating, what would be the point? After all, in AoL era, Bendalloy is fairly scarce. Other than that thought, though, he could compound zinc to become superintelligent. He could also win at slots. EVERY time.

[Dunkum]

He would never have to breathe (cadmium) or eat (bendalloy) and is immortal (gold) ... is it conceivable he could shoot himself into space?

Definitely conceivable, storing weight and steelpushing, or storing weight and compounding pewter could give him enough force to lift off in theory (with some steel compounding to help if necessary). moreover, if he had the right metals (and I don't feel like double checking whcih ones just this moment), he could probably survive in space for a bit: stored up breath, food, water, and warmth, plus maybe some kind of metal suit to ironpull on in order to keep the pressure equalized.

[edgedancing]

You know, now I'm wondering why he even bothered with his trick of storing up age and all - just compounding gold would have been enough to keep him immortal right?

[Mckeedee123]

So he did have access to all the Alloy of Law metals? In that case it really is quite amazing how powerful he was. 

 

Some of the AoL metals, not all. According to the MAG:

 

-Aluminum is known, obviously

-Duralumin is known by "a few metallurgists", probably TLR as well

-Chromium is "essentially unknown"

-Nicrosil is "for all intents and purposes unknown"

-Electrum is somewhat known among the great houses and the government, but knowledge of the metal has been suppressed to keep atium prices high.

-Cadmium is "unknown", but knowledge of it might possibly have existed prior to the ascension

-Bendalloy is "unknown"

Edited May 5, 2015 by Mckeedee123

[Kaymyth]

You know, now I'm wondering why he even bothered with his trick of storing up age and all - just compounding gold would have been enough to keep him immortal right?

 

No, it's pretty specifically stated in AoL that while compounding gold keeps Miles in top health, it does not affect his normal aging process. 

[natc]

A healthy person is still screwed when his aging has gone far enough for his gene expression to be failing, huh.

[Auger]

Make himself super cocky and think he is invincible (which he was) so that he gets distracted and is killed by a Mistborn?

[MitchBade]

It is weird that gold compounding doesn't stop his aging since it should theoretically repair depleted telomeres and keep his chromosomes in tippity top shape.

 

Edit: unless the healing process brought on by gold is actually just increasing the speed of cell replication, in which case a bloodmaker should age much faster every time they use their ability. 

Edited April 27, 2015 by MitchBade

[Creecher]

Actually, this topic got me thinking: What if the Lord Ruler had just steeltapped to appear at the Fountain Square, grab Kelsier, drag him away and snap his neck across a few seconds instead of giving him the public martyring that overthrew him?

[Lightning]

Actually, this topic got me thinking: What if the Lord Ruler had just steeltapped to appear at the Fountain Square, grab Kelsier, drag him away and snap his neck across a few seconds instead of giving him the public martyring that overthrew him?

The public martyring didn't overthrow him.  Vin did.  If she hadn't dealt with him, the Lord Ruler would have survived any uprising.  He literally could have killed the entire city if he wanted to.

[Guest]

It is weird that gold compounding doesn't stop his aging since it should theoretically repair depleted telomeres and keep his chromosomes in tippity top shape.

 

Edit: unless the healing process brought on by gold is actually just increasing the speed of cell replication, in which case a bloodmaker should age much faster every time they use their ability. 

 

Feruchemy is always balanced. When tapping Gold cell replication speeds up, but when filling Gold cell replication slows down.

Though this would indicate a Gold compounder should age quickly

[Guest]

Definitely conceivable, storing weight and steelpushing, or storing weight and compounding pewter could give him enough force to lift off in theory (with some steel compounding to help if necessary). moreover, if he had the right metals (and I don't feel like double checking whcih ones just this moment), he could probably survive in space for a bit: stored up breath, food, water, and warmth, plus maybe some kind of metal suit to ironpull on in order to keep the pressure equalized.

 

Forget "survive", he could become a temporary STAR!

 

Gold compounding to keep him alive (maybe along with Cadmium for breath).

Iron compounding to generate a gravitational field (maybe... weight storage as a physics equation breaks most math I've seen done)

 

and most importantly... *drumroll*

Brass compounding to reach MILLIONS of degrees Celsius

[natc]

Forget "survive", he could become a temporary STAR!

Gold compounding to keep him alive (maybe along with Cadmium for breath).

Iron compounding to generate a gravitational field (maybe... weight storage as a physics equation breaks most math I've seen done)

and most importantly... *drumroll*

Brass compounding to reach MILLIONS of degrees Celsius

So Rashek is secretly Obliteration?

[Dunkum]

Forget "survive", he could become a temporary STAR!

 

Gold compounding to keep him alive (maybe along with Cadmium for breath).

Iron compounding to generate a gravitational field (maybe... weight storage as a physics equation breaks most math I've seen done)

 

and most importantly... *drumroll*

Brass compounding to reach MILLIONS of degrees Celsius

Not sure you could bring enough Iron and brass with you to pull that off.  or ingest enough of them.  Though I guess maybe you could fill a bunch of brass and iron minds and then compound pewter and throw them up into space...  be a bit hard to find them afterwards, though,I think.

[king of nowhere]

in theory it's possible for him to go to space, but in practice it probably is not, at least not practically.

For ccertain he cannot do it by jumping; you need a speed of some 8 kilometers per second to attain low earth orbit, 11 to escape the earth's gravity altogether. plus you have some attrition with the atmosphere, and gravity drag (you have to give extra thrust to compensate for gravity pulling you down before you reach orbit). Overall, to place something in low earth orbit at a speed of 8 km/s it takes some 9 to 11 km/s of rocket thrust.

Now, even vin was only able to jump a few hundred meters, maybe a kilometer, with duraluminium. she reached a few hundred meters per second at most. trying to get that push towards high, you will be far too high to keep pushing before you are somewhere close to orbital speed. and even then, your speed is upwards, while you need a lateral speed to orbit earth. if you only go up, you either escape earth altogether or you fall back eventually.

 

The  way it would be theoretically possible to do it is with rocketry. you have this big rocket, only instead of filling it with liquid oxygen and hydrogen you fill it with metal dust to push on. your push speeds the dust away, and propels you forward. there you go, a metal-powered rocket.

However, the problem with a rocket is that the thrust you get is limited by the speed at which the exhaust is leaving, and by how much you have. the equation detailing it is here, and unfortunately I don't know how to write an equation on the forum or i would do it. anyway, rocket fuel is expelled at a speed of 4.5 km/s, and applying that equation you see that you need hallf of your rocket to be fuel to gain 3 km/s. so in order to gain 12 km/s you need half your rocket to be fuel for the first 3 km/s, then half of the remaining to be fuel for the second 3 km/s, and then half of the remaining and still half of the remaining, and in total 15/16 of your rocket must be fuel. And the remaining 1/16 mmust comprise the rocket and the fuel tanks. Although with multiple stages you can improve a little bit, because after you discard the first stages you don't need to accelerate them anymore. Anyway, that equation is the reason it takes a rocket of a few hundred tonnes to send in orbit a satellite of only a few tonnes.

 

So, the question to do it allomantically is, how fast can a pushed object go?

And the answer is, much less than 4.5 km/s. duraluminium pushing a coin does not make it catch fire for attrition like a railgun projectile. It appears there are speed limits, and no matter how much you push, you can't push an object more than that. All considered, what we see in the books make me believe a coin pushed can go no more than 1 km/s. So, applying that equation, it turns out that to achieve a speed of 9 km/s (let's  assume minimal drag and going to LEO) you would need a mass of propellant 10 thousand times greater than your payload.

 

However, it is not completely hopeless: the lord ruler can decrease his own wheight to be nothing. He also can keep all the metal dust together (except the one he's pushing) by pulling on it, so he doesn't need  the extra wheight of fuel tanks. All in all, he probably needs a few tens to a few hundreds kilograms of metal to eat and metalminds, plus a bit more of metal dust to slow himself down and deorbit, because if he went to orbit and found himself stuck there without a mean to go back until his metalminds run out it would really be worthy of a darwin award.

So, if we assume he has to carry with him 500 kilograms of useful payload into orbit, that would require him a "rocket" of 5000 tonnes of metal dust. That's about as much as the saturn V rocket; only, that one got like over 100 tonnes in earth orbit, while tlr would only be able to lift  himself and some metal.

 

Also, to lift all that stuff from the ground, the lord ruler must be able to provide  push worth over 5000 tonnes all at once. I don't know if there is a limit on how much metal you ccan push at once, or if the only limit is that your own body must be able to resist the stress. Neither we know if even pewter  and gold compounding can let your body survive when you push several tonnes of metal away from you at one kilometer per second, while pulling 5000 other tonnes of metal dust towards you to keep them together.

But if those conditions are met, then yes, then theoretically the lord ruler could have gone to space. And once there he could have used tin to act as a spy satellite. And it would have taken, like, years of work of the whole empire to give him the means to do so.

[Arook]

He could use  a super steel push  using compounded iron to increase weight compounded gold to repair any damage to himself and with  steel and duralamin and a couple of steel hemelergic spikes create a mass cannon to fire a metal rod at a city and basically nuke the city.

 

Although he could just sit in a tower and then super generate weight all at once and boom weigh enough it would create the same thing.

 

of course he could punch so fast as to create a shock wave and destroy things that way. He would need gold compunding to heal himself every time.

[Guest]

I wonder if TLR could store and compound Investiture to become powerful enough to Ironpull himself on the Moon.

[natc]

I wonder if TLR could store and compound Investiture to become powerful enough to Ironpull himself on the Moon.

There is no moon orbiting Scadrial, so that'd be difficult.

I think a steel compounder won't have much trouble getting to escape velocity honestly . . .

[Moogle]

...

 

I think using a typical rocket method is likely to fail, but it seems likely to me he could abuse Feruchemical iron and manage it.

1. Take a very large metal object (such that it is heavier than you while storing weight, but lighter than you when tapping), put it above you. Push it.
2. Store weight, Pull yourself up to it.
3. Make your way to the top of it, Push yourself far above it.
4. Tap weight, Pull the metal back up to you.
5. Make your way to the bottom of it, repeat from 1.

While it would take superhuman reflexes, durability, and speed, he can just tap Feruchemical zinc for some mental speed/Feruchemical steel for some physical speed and tap the heck out of Feruchemical gold and burn pewter.

 

The major downside to this method is that you would look ridiculous doing it. *dramatic sigh*

[Guest]

There is no moon orbiting Scadrial, so that'd be difficult.

I think a steel compounder won't have much trouble getting to escape velocity honestly . . .

 damnation... I dunno why, but I have an easier time imagining the World of Ash in detail than I do picturing a moonless sky

[Kaymyth]

 damnation... I dunno why, but I have an easier time imagining the World of Ash in detail than I do picturing a moonless sky

 

Just go outside at night in about a week-and-a-half.  It'll be a new moon.

 

 

don't hurt me

[Senor Feesh]

You know, now I'm wondering why he even bothered with his trick of storing up age and all - just compounding gold would have been enough to keep him immortal right?

Healing is linked to perception. It's why Sazed couldn't grow his genitalia back - he's internalised the damage and sees himself as a eunuch. Similarly, it's probably really hard to fool your own sense of how old you are.

For those of you talking about cell degeneration and telomeres, remember that we're talking in terms of Realmatics, where gravity is a spiritual link between objects - real world science need not always apply!