drew9777 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Tia will be revealed as an epic in the next book, she keeps herself in check through her soda habit, it'll be her weakness. its just a guess... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) 1. If she discovered that as a secret why didn't Prof do the same?Firefight spoilers 2. She would have overcome her weakness if she kept deliberately exposing herself to it. It would be a cool idea but I just don't see it. Edited February 2, 2015 by Voidus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) There is evidence that constant exposure to the Weakness removes said Weakness? Edited February 2, 2015 by SmurfAquamarineBodies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 There is evidence that constant exposure to the Weakness removes said Weakness? Firefight spoilers: An Epic's weakness is connected to what they fear most, which is where the corruption comes from. Facing one's fear removes the corruption. Conflux, who faced his fear some time before the series began, seems not to have a weakness, implying that either the act of facing one's fear or the process of overcoming it renders one's weakness ineffective. So if Tia repeatedly exposed herself to her weakness, she would have most likely overcome it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedancer Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) There is evidence that constant exposure to the Weakness removes said Weakness? Going by Firefight It would mean that she wouldn´t need to expose herself to her weakness, because the influence from the corruption would most likely be gone. Edmund telling the story about him seemingly not having a weakness also seems to imply that Epics can become immune to their weakness after facing it. Of course it could be that Tia didn´t notice those points. Edit: I was ninjaed. Edited February 2, 2015 by Edgedancer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Going by Firefight It would mean that she wouldn´t need to expose herself to her weakness, because the influence from the corruption would most likely be gone. Edmund telling the story about him seemingly not having a weakness also seems to imply that Epics can become immune to their weakness after facing it. Of course it could be that Tia didn´t notice those points. Edit: I was ninjaed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedancer Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) On my own theory even, though it could be that depending on how symbolic the weakness is that exposure to the weakness itself may not be enough, because it isn´t identiacal to the root fear. Newton for example worked together with people that used her weakness to keep her in check. The obvious difference here is that Newton didn´t want them to use her weakness but the details still aren´t a 100% clear for us. Does Funtimes at least also get to be a ninja? Edited February 2, 2015 by Edgedancer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 On my own theory even, though it could be that depending on how symbolic the weakness is that exposure to the weakness itself may not be enough, because it isn´t identiacal to the root fear. Newton for example worked together with people that used her weakness to keep her in check. The obvious difference here is that Newton didn´t want them to use her weakness but the details still aren´t a 100% clear for us. Does Funtimes at least also get to be a ninja? It wasn't constant exposure, since her gang repeatedly insulted her. Still, as you point out, a symbolic weakness would most likely require the Epic to face their root fear--much in the same way a person with a fear of, say, Disneyland would need to face whatever happened there to make them fear it; as repeated trips to Disneyland might just make it worse. Why? Why must you ask that, knowing full well the pony creator has no ninja mask option? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobold King Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 It wasn't constant exposure, since her gang repeatedly insulted her. Still, as you point out, a symbolic weakness would most likely require the Epic to face their root fear--much in the same way a person with a fear of, say, Disneyland would need to face whatever happened there to make them fear it; as repeated trips to Disneyland might just make it worse. Why? Why must you ask that, knowing full well the pony creator has no ninja mask option? Firefight spoilers, as the spoiler tag implies: This raises the question--was Megan's remote controlled rifle trick at the end of the book really necessary? If entering the burning building to rescue David qualified as her facing her fear, and if doing so removes weaknesses, then she might have reincarnated even after being incinerated. Something to think about, I suppose. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Firefight spoilers, as the spoiler tag implies: This raises the question--was Megan's remote controlled rifle trick at the end of the book really necessary? If entering the burning building to rescue David qualified as her facing her fear, and if doing so removes weaknesses, then she might have reincarnated even after being incinerated. Something to think about, I suppose. I've wondered that since finishing the book. If facing her fear would have removed her weakness along with the corruption, then the rifle trick wasn't necessary (though I have to say, I'd rather be shot to death than incinerated, so I don't blame Megan for wanting the same thing). If it takes time to really conquer one's weakness, then the rifle trick was necessary. Either way, better safe than sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedancer Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I've wondered that since finishing the book. If facing her fear would have removed her weakness along with the corruption, then the rifle trick wasn't necessary (though I have to say, I'd rather be shot to death than incinerated, so I don't blame Megan for wanting the same thing). If it takes time to really conquer one's weakness, then the rifle trick was necessary. Either way, better safe than sorry. It´s not like Megan even knew she could get over the corruption, so it makes sense for her to plan and assuming it´s true there are two reasons why it could still be needed from a narrative view point. 1) Don´t reveal weakness immunity early. 2)Let the ending seem like less of a Deus Ex Machina 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 It´s not like Megan even knew she could get over the corruption, so it makes sense for her to plan and assuming it´s true there are two reasons why it could still be needed from a narrative view point. 1) Don´t reveal weakness immunity early. 2)Let the ending seem like less of a Deus Ex Machina Stop reading here if you haven't read Firefight. Less like a deus ex machina and more like a pleasant, much needed twist after Regalia broke Prof. I hate you soooooo much, Regalia. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 For what it's worth, we don't know if getting over your fear removes the weakness, or if it simply removes the corruption an Epic experiences when they use their powers. I personally believe that it does not remove the weakness, because otherwise some Epics would have the potential to become genuinely invincible, and that doesn't seem likely to me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) For what it's worth, we don't know if getting over your fear removes the weakness, or if it simply removes the corruption an Epic experiences when they use their powers. I personally believe that it does not remove the weakness, because otherwise some Epics would have the potential to become genuinely invincible, and that doesn't seem likely to me. I think Epic fears work the same way as any other deep-seated fear: Facing the fear is the beginning of the cure, but the fear itself may never go away completely. Maybe the strength of a weakness is tied to the strength of their fear, even post corruption? Edited February 2, 2015 by TwiLyghtSansSparkles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew9777 Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Good points on the soada part not keeping her in check, although its about facing the fear to break the hold, they have to overcome their fear i think. as for Tia - i still think she is going to be an epic. her and prof both knew Rigailia, its made very clear that when Prof was running with other epics that she was there too. maybe she doesnt use her powers at all? wonder what they will be. or perhaps her powers are related to and gifted to the other lore-ists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) If she is I think she's going to have to have absolutely 0 combat abilities or be incapable of fighting or using her powers for some reason.Because if she had powers and didn't use them during the fight with Steelheart when everyone she knew was moments from dying then she's a horrible person.EDIT: Actually, sudden thought hasn't she been gifted Conflux's powers during that fight to power the copter she was in? So she can't be an Epic. Edited February 3, 2015 by Voidus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 If she is I think she's going to have to have absolutely 0 combat abilities or be incapable of fighting or using her powers for some reason. Because if she had powers and didn't use them during the fight with Steelheart when everyone she knew was moments from dying then she's a horrible person. EDIT: Actually, sudden thought hasn't she been gifted Conflux's powers during that fight to power the copter she was in? So she can't be an Epic. She also knew enough about using the tensors to describe the sensation to David, so either she's lying or she's not an Epic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew9777 Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 That is a good point; she did use conflux's power set and the tensors. Only two ways out of that, though they are both long shots. Options: She can siphon other epics powers with direct contact or she can, to an extent, mimic any epics power set that she comes into contact with. This would make her useless in the field unless she was guaranteed to touch them, which with say steelheart would have been impossible as he wouldn’t have let her get close enough to touch him. Besides if she did have either option above she wouldn’t ever use it because it basically would make her loose it completely and then everyone would be screwed anyway. I don’t know I just cant shake the feeling there will be more to Tia than anyone suspects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 One thought I had is that the Loreists are taking advantage of some sort of communication Gifter/Epic to gather information. Like they have a telepathic network or something. There pretty much has to be a big secret of some sort, whatever it turns out to be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scar Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 I think it would be too cliché to make Tia an epic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scar Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Especially after David was almost an epic and prof has gone evil as an epic oops spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scar Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Especially after David was almost an epic and prof has gone evil as an epic oops spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Can you not triple post and spoil twice >_> The Edit button exists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneSpren Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) A post I made: In Firefight, Tia is revealed to be a rocket scientist at NASA, (Prof and his friends take a field trip there) After, Prof and his two friends are revealed to be Epics. This raises two questions. One, is this a coincidence? Two, if it's not, why isn't Tia an Epic? Or is she? Edited May 22, 2015 by WayneSlider123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High prince of geeks Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 I think it was stated Tia used to work at NASA, and she works with computers and analyze a lot of data, and seams to be seldom wrong. If she is a epic it may be some observation power. For me the biggest pointer that pop is her weakness is that she always seams most angry and hostile when it is mentioned she is drinking cola, and it is mentioned that tacking it away from her is dangerous. Since pop is a rare resource it seams unlikely they would by from an EPIC just to keep her happy. It could be she takes it when she is feeling particularly murdery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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