gjustice99 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Ok so my theory is that the Pits of Elantia and the Pits of Hathsin are the same. The koloss tat live in the pits of Elantia are there to protect the atium (possibly under Sazeds orders) Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Unfortunately, the Pits are no More: (Source) DALENTHAS (15 OCTOBER 2008)Does the Well of Ascension still exist in the new world? Or is it no longer necessary? I assumed that Preservation collected there like Ruin collects in the Pits of Hathsin, so if Atium keeps forming then the well should keep filling... BRANDON SANDERSON (16 OCTOBER 2008) The Well (and the small wells in the Pits) is no more. For now at least. Also, if the Pits did exist, they'd be at the Field of Origin, since that's where everyone arrived and people hid inside of the Pits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tavash Shar Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Only Joe. Your quot is 2008.For more up to date info: IROTIN (14 NOVEMBER 2011) Kel said he ended atium production for a few hundred years. Will atium reappear in Alloy and such, or did Sazed move the Pits? BRANDON SANDERSON (MON NOV 14) RAFO. TAGS atium , alloy of law , harmony DOUGLASWhen Kelsier destroys the Pits of Hathsin in Final Empire, it is mentioned that they'll take something like 300 years to start producing Atium again. Do the Pits of Hathsin still exist in any form after Sazed reshaped the world, and is that timeline for them still valid?BRANDON SANDERSONRAFOTAGSkelsier , pits of hathsin , harmony , atium , mistborn So Yes the Pits Probably still exist though as its harmony now and not Ruin the Nature of the shard pool may have changed. there by changing Atium. Its also worth noting that Sized appears to have moved the caves people hid in so that they all opened up on the fields of rebirth (spook was in the cave at Uterau yet he came out to find Vin and Elends corps and survivors from the Hathsin cave emerging right next to his) and there are no rules about a shard moving there pool that we know of. I do not how ever think the Pits of Elantia and the Pits of Hathsin are the same. Simply similar naming conventions. possibly due to some kind of event or astetic at Elantia that reminded some one of the stories of Hathsin. Edited December 18, 2014 by Lord Tavash Shar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Only Joe. Your quot is 2008. For more up to date info: IROTIN (14 NOVEMBER 2011) Kel said he ended atium production for a few hundred years. Will atium reappear in Alloy and such, or did Sazed move the Pits? BRANDON SANDERSON (MON NOV 14) RAFO. TAGS atium , alloy of law , harmony DOUGLASWhen Kelsier destroys the Pits of Hathsin in Final Empire, it is mentioned that they'll take something like 300 years to start producing Atium again. Do the Pits of Hathsin still exist in any form after Sazed reshaped the world, and is that timeline for them still valid?BRANDON SANDERSONRAFOTAGSkelsier , pits of hathsin , harmony , atium , mistborn So Yes the Pits Probably still exist though as its harmony now and not Ruin the Nature of the shard pool may have changed. there by changing Atium. Its also worth noting that Sized appears to have moved the caves people hid in so that they all opened up on the fields of rebirth (spook was in the cave at Uterau yet he came out to find Vin and Elends corps and survivors from the Hathsin cave emerging right next to his) and there are no rules about a shard moving there pool that we know of. I do not how ever think the Pits of Elantia and the Pits of Hathsin are the same. Simply similar naming conventions. possibly due to some kind of event or astetic at Elantia that reminded some one of the stories of Hathsin. He just RAFO'd both questions, not sure how that supports your point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tavash Shar Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 The 2008 quote is that they are broken for now but could be resurrected. I always read RAFO as Read And Find Out Meaning that there is now something going on that will be explained.IE they matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 RAFO's can also mean he hasn't decided, isn't sure, or Will be clarified in an upcoming book. Meanwhile, my WoB states that the Pits are no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 The 2008 quote is that they are broken for now but could be resurrected. I always read RAFO as Read And Find Out Meaning that there is now something going on that will be explained. IE they matter. Not necessarily, sometimes he just RAFOs things to mess with us I'm pretty sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Text from the actual R.A.F.O. card: "You received this for asking the right question at the wrong time. It might mean the answer spoils too much; it might mean that the answer would make people focus on the wrong things; or it might just be intended to keep you guessing. Regardless, it has been a pleasure to not answer you." Emphasis mine. So, yeah. As a general rule, a RAFO doesn't trump a flat-out no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Also keep in mind there is no reason for the Pits to exist anymore. They were put into place by Preservation to siphon off some of Ruin's investiture without his volition. If Harmony wanted to reintroduce atium into the world he could just will it into existence (probably) and have more control over how much is created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) Only Joe. Your quot is 2008. For more up to date info: IROTIN (14 NOVEMBER 2011) Kel said he ended atium production for a few hundred years. Will atium reappear in Alloy and such, or did Sazed move the Pits? BRANDON SANDERSON (MON NOV 14) RAFO. TAGS atium , alloy of law , harmony DOUGLASWhen Kelsier destroys the Pits of Hathsin in Final Empire, it is mentioned that they'll take something like 300 years to start producing Atium again. Do the Pits of Hathsin still exist in any form after Sazed reshaped the world, and is that timeline for them still valid?BRANDON SANDERSONRAFOTAGSkelsier , pits of hathsin , harmony , atium , mistborn So Yes the Pits Probably still exist though as its harmony now and not Ruin the Nature of the shard pool may have changed. there by changing Atium. Its also worth noting that Sized appears to have moved the caves people hid in so that they all opened up on the fields of rebirth (spook was in the cave at Uterau yet he came out to find Vin and Elends corps and survivors from the Hathsin cave emerging right next to his) and there are no rules about a shard moving there pool that we know of. I do not how ever think the Pits of Elantia and the Pits of Hathsin are the same. Simply similar naming conventions. possibly due to some kind of event or astetic at Elantia that reminded some one of the stories of Hathsin. I like this "the nature of the shard pool may have changed"...We know that Miles says something at the end of the book about "the final metal" and as per a recent update on brandonsanderson.com the current working title for the last book is "the lost metal." While this may be wild speculation on my part, I suspect that Atium (or some godmetal) may be making a return sometime before the story is finished. by the way...gjustice99 gets an upvote for intuing foreshadowing. Edited December 19, 2014 by hoidhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tavash Shar Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I like this "the nature of the shard pool may have changed"...We know that Miles says something at the end of the book about "the final metal" and as per a recent update on brandonsanderson.com the current working title for the last book is "the lost metal." While this may be wild speculation on my part, I suspect that Atium (or some godmetal) may be making a return sometime before the story is finished. by the way...gjustice99 gets an upvote for intuing foreshadowing. Thank you. I look at the whole Cosmere from the perspective of an experienced and avid Gamer. Both Player and DM/ST. And I have noticed in a few cases it makes me blind (A love triangle between Adolin, Shallan, and Kaladin was not something I picket up on in my first two readings of the text. Only a theory post here made me even notice it.) I like to think it helps me notice things others miss because Brandon is an Avid gamer and not everyone here is. Good storytelling means you never throw anything out as impossible. Your players will figure out how to do it and abuse it if you think like that. Borrowing from that line of thought. As a writer I do not see how you could throw anything out. Even "Broken" things. Sooner or later everything is relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) Thank you. I look at the whole Cosmere from the perspective of an experienced and avid Gamer. Both Player and DM/ST. And I have noticed in a few cases it makes me blind (A love triangle between Adolin, Shallan, and Kaladin was not something I picket up on in my first two readings of the text. Only a theory post here made me even notice it.) I like to think it helps me notice things others miss because Brandon is an Avid gamer and not everyone here is. Good storytelling means you never throw anything out as impossible. Your players will figure out how to do it and abuse it if you think like that. Borrowing from that line of thought. As a writer I do not see how you could throw anything out. Even "Broken" things. Sooner or later everything is relevant. Agreed...on the main point anyway Brandon has gone out of his way to make the pits of elantia a part of the story. When writing a story, you have absolute control over what you include and what you leave out. Good writers (I think Brandon qualifies) make sure that EVERYTHING (or at least close to it) bears significance to the story. While you can say...maybe it's just a coincidence that they are called the pits of something...Brandon could just as easily called them the caves of something. To me...the specific word choice implies something. After reading the name Hoid in a few different stories, did you say to yourself "Man...this writer really likes the name Hoid" or did you say to yourself "Wow...this same guy is in all these books! What's going on?" The Only Joe, on 18 Dec 2014 - 07:51 AM, said: RAFO's can also mean he hasn't decided, isn't sure, or Will be clarified in an upcoming book. Meanwhile, my WoB states that the Pits are no more. And by the way...your WoB actually says that the pits are no more...for now. Again, I have to point out the importance of specific word choice. Edited December 19, 2014 by hoidhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I imagine the reusage of the term 'pits' is simply cultural, we might call them caves but the culture that named them had previously called something similar the pits and so established a naming convention. I think a vague similarity in naming doesn't trump a direct contradiction through WoB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Pits of Elantia... or pits of ELANTRIS?!?!!? The State of Sanderson blog post on his site does say he will have to write the sequels to Elantris before the second Mistborn trilogy, because they will be relevant. I'm just saying. The name cannot be a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) I imagine the reusage of the term 'pits' is simply cultural, we might call them caves but the culture that named them had previously called something similar the pits and so established a naming convention. I think a vague similarity in naming doesn't trump a direct contradiction through WoB. Well...if it's a cultural phenomenon that people on Scadrial refer to caves as pits...there are a lot of people in mistborn who aren't hip to that particular trend. The term caves is used repeatedly by different characters. The Pits of Hathsin and the Pits of Eltania are the only two geographic locations referred to in such a way...but...that was a relatively small point in my argument anyway. Tell me...if I were to tell you that "I am done posting to this thread for now." ...would you, or would you not expect to see another post from me? (eventually)...(maybe 6 years from now) If anything...I would say that the WoB we are referring to actually seems to heavily imply that the Pits of Hathsin definitely will reappear in the story. Edited December 19, 2014 by hoidhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 The implication that they may appear is certainly there but Brandon does stuff like that all the time, it's just to keep options open and keep readers guessing. That he left the option open doesn't strongly imply either way that they will eventually become relevant again all the WoB says is that for now they definitely aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) When does "for now" end...it's been six year already in our timeline...and many many more than that in the story... -Ooklalhoo'Elin...I like your point as well. So we have... FOR -Home to (possible guarded by) a new variation of Koloss -Rumored to hold rare valuable metal -Named similar to Pits of Hathsin -Named similar to Elantris -"bearers of the final metal" quote from Miles -Working name for subsequent book is "The Lost Metal" (atium is the only metal that we know has been lost) AGAINST -WoB "The Well (and the small wells in the Pits) is no more. For now at least." - Weirywriter's point about the pits of hathsin being created by preservation as a way to siphon off ruin's power. Am I missing anything? Edited December 19, 2014 by hoidhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tavash Shar Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 When does "for now" end...it's been six year already in our timeline...and many many more than that in the story... -Ooklalhoo'Elin...I like your point as well. So we have... FOR -Home to (possible guarded by) a new variation of Koloss -Rumored to hold rare valuable metal -Named similar to Pits of Hathsin -Named similar to Elantris -"bearers of the final metal" quote from Miles -Working name for subsequent book is "The Lost Metal" (atium is the only metal that we know has been lost) AGAINST -WoB "The Well (and the small wells in the Pits) is no more. For now at least." - Weirywriter's point about the pits of hathsin being created by preservation as a way to siphon off ruin's power. Am I missing anything? No That about covers it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 -Home to (possible guarded by) a new variation of Koloss -Rumored to hold rare valuable metal Neither of these are true. In the MAG Story Allomancer Jak, the only 'new' Koloss is a Koloss Elder. They live longer than they did in FE times. And the Valuable metal was also discovered in Allomancer Jak, and it's not what you think. In fact it's implied that it's used up shortly after the end of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 When does "for now" end...it's been six year already in our timeline...and many many more than that in the story... So we have... FOR -Named similar to Pits of Hathsin -Named similar to Elantris Until there's a reason for the sudden reappearance of Atium, given that he said that while working on AoL I think it's safe to say that at the very least they're not around during AoL I'm not ruling out their eventual reappearance but for now I'm going with them being unlikely. A link to Elantris means nothing about Atium, and the only similarity to Hathsin is that it's called a 'pit', hardly convincing. -"bearers of the final metal" quote from Miles -Working name for subsequent book is "The Lost Metal" (atium is the only metal that we know has been lost) The final metal would logically be either Nicrosil or Chromium, not Atium which has been known since they thought there were only 10 not 18. Lerasium? Chromium? Nicrosil? Also the presence of Atium doesn't mean the pits reappeared, we know that Marsh has Atium still, Atium still exists, doesn't mean the pits do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 There was Nobility that escaped, surviving the final Ascension. The Nobles have proven to be a greedy lot, hoarding their Atium. It's conceivable that many of them would have taken their Atium with them. But once Mistborns were gone, there was no point to the nuggets. They were no longer worth kingdoms. I'd beat there's still Atium floating around somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Lord Tarvash Shar (by the way...my auto correct thinks that your name is garbage what) May be onto something with his shard pools changing idea. Preservation and Ruin combined to become harmony. Why wouldn't the well of ascension combined with pits of hathsin produce something other than atium? Maybe the "final metal" to be added to the world of allomancy? I also feel that it is safe to say that atium is lost to the people of scadrial "for now". (assuming that garbage what ((trying to be funny)) is wrong.) Just because the generally accepted embodiment of death has something stuck in his body does not mean that it's use hadn't been lost to the world of allomancy in general (try taking it from him). Lerisum is also (possibly...how should I know) the first allomantic metal. Not the "final metal". -directed at voidus- do you agree that the quote about a "final metal" and the title "the lost metal" seem to insinuate that a new metal will be introduced into Wax and Wayne's world of allomancy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 My previous point was actually a point against this in my opinion, not a point for... Also I really wouldn't be so confident that "the final metal" refers to atium... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I could definately be wrong. But it's fun to try and guess where the story is going. And what would be the fun is guessing if you easily abandoned your theroies. Totally have respect for your guys' opinions...but at the same time...it's fun to debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 I could definately be wrong. But it's fun to try and guess where the story is going. And what would be the fun is guessing if you easily abandoned your theroies. Totally have respect for your guys' opinions...but at the same time...it's fun to debate. Of course That's why we're all here. I think it's the influence of the strong enjoyment of science a lot of Brandons readers have, all theories go through peer review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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