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The 5 ideals and what they grant


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Hey so I am not sure if this has been discussed before but I have a theory on what the two remaining ideals for Kaladin grant. The first granted access to storm light. The next lashing and the third syl as a shardblade. I think the next two grant shardplate and a Ryshadium. In Dalinars vision of the radiantly in WoK then they have shardplate and it behaves differently than he is used to, namely their helmets appear with him not seeing them go on. And in WoR then the horse breeder makes it clear that the radiants had Ryshadium. I can't think of anything else that the last surge would grant. Any ideas?

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Radiants get Shardblades at different Ideals depending on their order.

 

Q:  Is there a specific # of Ideals that they have to do before they can get the Shardblade?
A:  It depends on the Order.

(source)

 

I don't know if each Ideal brings them something or not. I don't expect speaking more Ideals to give the Radiants Shardplate, as Shardplate seems created like a fabrial. Nalan has a lot of Surgebinding fabrials, and they were definitely somewhat common amongst the Knights (the Stoneward in WoK had a Regrowth fabrial too), so it seems reasonable they made their Plate rather than having the spren give it to them.

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I would also be hesitant to say that one of the Ideals grants a Radiant a Ryshadium, although the Ryshadium are closely linked to the Radiants.

 

 

 

Q:  (Something about how he got his ideas for knights)
A:  A knight has a sword, armor and a horse.  (my interpretation of the answer is that Ryshadium were closely related to the ancient Knights Radiant)

 

 

 

Q:  Why are Ryshadium cooler than regular horses? I suspect a spren bond.
A:  There is Investiture involved.

 

 

 

Q:  Were the Ryshadium artificially enhanced or created, or were they natural?
A:  Oh, RAFO! Good question!

Those are the 3 Words of Brandon that I could find regarding Ryshadium.  But, we also have in-text knowledge from Dalinar and Adolin about their incredible intelligence, and how the Ryshadium themselves choose their riders.  (I mean, at one point Dalinar is trying to convince his Ryshadium that he deserves the extra-yummy food--and it looks that actual persuasion is both required and successful.)

 

So, we know that it's possible to 'bond' a Ryshadium without being a Radiant, which makes it unlikely to be a 'perk' of progressing along the path of a Radiant.  On the other hand, there's investiture involved with them, we don't know much about them, and Sanderson thinks that a steed is as important as a sword and armor for knights.  Well, we know a bit about the differences between Sprenblades and Shardblades.  It's possible that there will be a similar magnitude of difference between 'active' Shardplate worn by Radiants and the 'inactive' worn by just anyone, as well as Ryshadium with normal rider vs. Ryshadium with a Radiant.

 

That level of power escalation is a bit disconcerting to think about, though, at least as far as what it means and has implications for.  

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@Moogle I think it will have to be a different kind of Shardplate mostly because of Szeth talking about how the shardplate would interfere with his Lashing if he chose to wear it. It is possible it could be different because of the whole Honorblade situation but I think the radiants had something different than what is being used now

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Szeth also thought that wounds from a Shardblade couldn't be healed.  Although, the very limited view we have of the Heralds in WoK doesn't show them wearing Plate; it's quite possible that the way Honorblades work actually would interfere with Lashing, while not with that of Radiants.  ie, if an Honorblade is like Nightblood and actively consumes Investiture while in use, then that would make using Shardplate a bit problematic.

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Szeth also thought that wounds from a Shardblade couldn't be healed.  Although, the very limited view we have of the Heralds in WoK doesn't show them wearing Plate; it's quite possible that the way Honorblades work actually would interfere with Lashing, while not with that of Radiants.  ie, if an Honorblade is like Nightblood and actively consumes Investiture while in use, then that would make using Shardplate a bit problematic.

 

Or there is a clear distinction between "living" shardplate" and "dead" one...

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Or there is a clear distinction between "living" shardplate" and "dead" one...

Well, yes. Except that there is no screaming from 'dead' Plate, and the spren have no problems with it.  This implies that it is something other than just a variation on the Sprenblade transformation.

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Well, yes. Except that there is no screaming from 'dead' Plate, and the spren have no problems with it.  This implies that it is something other than just a variation on the Sprenblade transformation.

 

Agree. The word "living" may have been a poor choice on my part... I meant there is a difference between a plate used by a Radiants and one the leftover ones used by your everyday soldier. I seem to recall Brandon mentioning such thing.... I think he also said the Radiants summoning their plates is similar than modern warriors summoning their dead shardblades. There seem to be some sort of bonding mechanism involved... but no living spren, I think we agree on this.

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