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  1. Exploring the various method through which soulstampers, Elantrians, etc could access investiture on other worlds So I was thinking specifically about how a world hopper from Sel could access investiture without a jar of Dor. My thoughts ran through the feruchemical properties of the known metals and stopped on Nicrosil. According to the official handbook for the Mistborn Adventure Game TTRPG, Nicrosil stores pure investiture and is used by feruchemists to enhance their other metalmind effects when tapped. However, using hemalurgy to create a Nicrosil ferring out of an Elantrian could potentially give them the ability to store and use investiture in/from their own nicrosil metalminds. How possible is this?
  2. I was thinking about the magic system in a book I’m writing, and realized that it was slightly similar to Forgery, in that you take magic ink, write/draw with it, and something happens. As I am currently developing which symbols do what, this got me thinking about what, in Forgery, you carve on the Soulstamp to convey meaning. As I don’t think we know this, I thought about this in Forgery and thought of a rune-like arcane symbol that has a specific meaning not decided by not-very invested entities that is carved into the stamp. Almost like Aons. Then, my brain started coming up with ways that all the Selish magic systems work with this. I never actually finished Elantris, but on the Coppermind I learned about Dakhor, where bones twist into “ancient Fjordell characters” that decide the effect of the magic. Perhaps this is how Hrovell potions are Invested. Bloodsealing we know very little about, but I think could work with this. Thoughts? Is this very obvious and I just somehow never realized it? Am I completely off? How does ChaySan fit into all this?
  3. One interesting thing we see is a glimpse at what I suspect is relatively early, but certainly established, space age. I was expecting technology honestly to be more advanced than this by the space age. I don't get the sense there is FTL travel though, and maybe that's not coming. I wish I knew how long Zealot has been on the run. He seems to think people he knew on Roshar would still be alive, and I would have said that I would have been surprised for those who had not become fused to make it to the space age. Anyway, the factions we see emerging are: Scadrians: they seem to be a relatively callous one would government, though not actively malicious, one works government. They don't care about the plight of non-Scadrians. This is consistent I think with what we saw in 6th of the Dusk, just looking for resources to exploit. They felt like someone trying to convince you that their trade is to your benefit in Catan but is obviously lying. Rosharans: Our most significant data here comes from the Scadrians' attitude towards the prospect that Zellian is "Oathed", but more significant data comes from the 6th of the Dusk sequel where the Rosharans radiant ambassador seems downright sinister. Definitely more evil than the Scadrians. It's unclear how many factions there are from Roshar but I hope it's not just evil Odium servants. Threnodites: I dono that happened there but the Night Brigade is terrifying. Their power is that of shades which they now seem to have near total control of. I don't know if this is the only power from Threnody or how much control they have on their home planet, but things are not looking good. Sel: We know people from Sel are players, but not much more. Obviously Elantrians are ridiculously powerful, and the other magic systems we've seen from Sel are also really significant. Other groups are less clear. Any thoughts on my analysis? What do you think the implications of all of this.
  4. In Mistborn, it is stated that Duralumin Feruchemy stores Connection. The exact specifics of this are unknown, but this and related things have been seen to make you understand languages as if you were a native speaker from that area. But I, in late(ish)-night unable to sleep Cosmere Theorizing, wondered if Connection shenanigans could grant you access to the Selish Arcana, such as Elantrianism or Forgery, which are location-based Investiture systems dependent on where you were born. But using Duralumin could, if this theory is correct, make you able to be taken by the Shaod. And perhaps it could also give you a breath if you used Duralumin on Nalthis. Hemalurgically this is bound to have applications too. What do you guys think?
  5. I was re-reading Elantris for the sixty-bajillianth time when I noticed that the god of Shu-Korath, Domi, is part of the name of the Shard Dominion. I've always thought that Jaddeth was a representation of Dominion, and that Domi was Devotion. But after seeing that Domi was part of Dominion, I think that maybe the Elantrians were made by Dominion, as they are powerful enough to rule over an entire world, and were able to gain dominion over Arelon and were going to try to invade other countries, until Fjordell stopped them, but was destroyed in the process.
  6. I was wondering if there has been any hints at numbers related to the Aons besides Aon meaning 'first'?
  7. How exactly does the Dor being shoved into the Physical Realm function? Is it all of DnD's Investiture, or just most of it? When any of the Selish Arts (or other Arts being powered by the Dor) use the Dor, does it return to the masses of Dor that are stuck in the Selish Subastral, or do they return to the Spiritual Realm like Investiture normally does? Could the use of Selish Arts eventually return all of DnD's Investiture to the SR (even if it takes an extremely long time), or has it somehow been permanently grounded in the CR? Do AonDor Fabrials like the Light and Travel Plates continually return Investiture to the SR when active? Does Elantris itself (the massive Aon Rao) do that on a massive scale?
  8. Since the maybe-confirmation that the god of Shu-Dereth, Jaddeth, is another Avatar of Autonomy. This has made me wonder about the 'Svrakiss' and a theory that they may be one in the same, and perhaps that the Fjordell Empire isn't quite as under Autonomy's control as she would like. It's said that Svrakiss are capable of taking over the bodies of men and controlling their actions, sound familiar? Autonomy is capable of controlling certain people like puppets, as shown at the end of BoM and in TLM. It is shown that they are seen as demons, being blamed for bad luck, etc. This makes me think that perhaps a few people in Fjordell have an inkling as to their 'god's' true nature and that the Svrakiss are a subtle warning that was never truly understood. So maybe in the Elantris Sequel, we'll be seeing some Fjordell's who aren't too keen on Jaddeth's Awakening.
  9. Devotion and Dominion are shards in the cognitive realm that manifest their power on Sel as the dor. Would Domi be the vessel of Devotion shard and would Jadeth be the vessel of Dominion? If Jadeth is the vessel of Dominion and is trapped in the cognitive realm would it be possible for the Wyrn to have the ability to communicate with him? Could the shards have merged and became Conviction or something? What does this have to do with the Kings Soul? Does the pool that kills Elantrians lead to the Cognitive realm allowing Elantrians to be able to access the cognitive realm allowing one of them to claim the shards? Will there be a final Brandon Sanderson Sel book where it is a battle over the cognitive realm with Jadeth vs Domi. What side would shai be on?
  10. Not traveling to the Cognitive Realm, but the Cognitive Aspects while in the Physical. How do they exist in the CR, with the Dor being a pressurized Investiture tempest and whatnot? Doesn't it affect people on Sel at all?
  11. I was thinking last night about the significance of broken oaths and damaged bonds on Roshar, and how Adolin has helped with some of those on the back end. His relationship with Maya is the most obvious example, but I also think that his relationship with Gallant is similar. Dalinar's modes of action no longer have much use for a courageous Ryshadium and so Gallant ended up kind of abandoned in a paddock at Urithiru. Adolin recognized this and came to spend time with him, which I imagine was good for Gallant, and ultimately Gallant even allowed Adolin to ride him (something Ryshadium essentially never allow for anyone but their chosen rider). I think that this was underplayed in Rhythm of War. I don't think that Gallant was damaged in the same way as Maya, nor to the same degree. But we now have two examples of Adolin helping rare, strong-bonding beings not through the formal commitments those beings normally make but instead by dedicating himself, his time, energy, and compassion to them. And in turn he's getting things from them that, we've been told, simply don't happen-- a deadeye who can think, act, and speak, as well as a Ryshadium's respect and service (or at least assistance). In Cosmere terms these things really make me think of Devotion, though I know we don't have a lot of information on how she behaved before she was Splintered. Adolin is a devoted person: to his family, his friends, his duties, his swordsmanship, and probably other things as well. I don't think that Adolin is going to take up the Shard of Devotion, if only because that's already getting too common in the books and typically fails to resolve much. I doubt that very many long-running, inter-book plotlines are going to converge on that same outcome. And I don't want to get ahead of myself with specific predictions on matters about which we still lack basically all detail. But given that Devotion's Splintering (along with Dominion's) was reportedly an unusual type, and wound up with Devotion being crammed into the cognitive realm and its Vessel killed, I see some parallels. Radiant spren becoming deadeyes was (theoretically, once) irreparable, and yet Adolin has upended that through a method totally different than anything Honor might have promoted. Maybe something else broadly thought to be impossible, even for Shards, is in the works. The Splintering of Shards is going to be addressed at some point in future books, and what Adolin has been accomplishing has already started to rock Roshar. I think that his actions' significance will continue to be impressive, surprising, and important, and that his characterological alignment with Devotion, conceptually, is ultimately going to matter for that too. Does anyone here have any other thoughts, evidence, critiques, or anything else for discussion around the topic?
  12. I don’t know if anyone has talked about this I found a few forms talking about mixing of the magic systems but nothing like this so far. What I was wandering was what would happen if let’s say on Nalthis they make a sentient airship that looked humanoid and traveled to sel. Would a soul stamp work on the ship? I think it would but I’m curious on what other people might think
  13. Odiumiumium

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    A soulstamp used in Forgery. The stamp means absolutely nothing, and there is no map of MaiPon, so it wouldn't work, but it does look nice from one angle.
  14. On Sel, specifically near Elantris, the Dor sits in the cognitive realm. The Dor is a massive body of investiture left over from not one but two shards. And I have this WoB: So does that mean that on Sel, there’s a massive amount of time dilation caused by the enormous quantity of investiture outside the SR?
  15. Theory: After Ambition was wounded in the Threnodite System by Odium and Mercy, she fled to another point in space. This point either was, or became, the Rosharan system. Here, Ambition was killed. Her death created the Barrier Storm in the Cognitive Realm around the planet Braize. This storm was later Invested by Odium to create the proto-Everstorm that was pulled through into the Physical on Roshar at the Battle of Narak. Ambition's death also created a wound in the Spiritual Realm in the Rosharan System similar to that which exists on Threnody. This is the reason there are spren on Roshar. Datapoints: I group this into two categories, Spren and Storms. SPREN: From Shadows for Silence in the Forest of Hell, we know that the wounding of Ambition in the Threnodite System created Shades: cognitive beings which manifest in the Physical Realm. We do not see similar manifestations in the Mistborn novels or the White Sand graphic novels. We know there are no Splintered Shards in the Scadrian or Taldain systems at the time these stories are set. We see similar manifestations in Elantris and Emperor's Soul (Seons and Skaze). We know there are Splintered Shards in the Selish system at this time. We see similar manifestations in The Stormlight Archive (spren on Roshar) (and voidspren on Braize). STORMS: From Khriss's statements in Arcanum Unbounded, we know that the Dor around Sel is a whorl of free Investiture created when Odium Splintered Dominion and Devotion there. From statements from Nazh and Hoid, we know that travel to/from Sel through the Cognitive Realm is very difficult and dangerous due to the presence there of the Dor. From statements by Nazh, we know that that travel to/from Braize through the Cognitive Realm was difficult due to the presence of this Barrier Storm. A possible chronology: 1) The Shattering of Adonalsium. 2) Odium and Mercy clash with Ambition in the Threnodite System. Ambition is wounded. 3) Odium (and possibly others) clash with Ambition in the Rosharan system. Ambition is killed, creating the Barrier Storm, and spren. 4) Odium goes to the Selish system. He clashes with Dominion and Devotion. They are both killed, creating the Dor. 5) Odium returns to the Rosharan system, and begins whispering in the ears of the Ashynites. 6) The Ashynites devastate their planet using Dawnshards. They are taken in as refugees by Honor and Cultivation on Roshar. Their God, Odium, comes with them. 7) Honor, Cultivation, and Odium make a deal that they think will allow them to live in harmony on Roshar. This is the Oathpact. 8) Odium intentionally goes against the Oathpact, triggering its punishment prohibitions. He is exiled to Braize, on the far side of the Barrier Storm. The cycle of Desolations begins. 9) Honor is Splintered. 10) Honor's Cognitive Shadow is bound to the spren of the Highstorm. 11) Several millennia pass. 12) Odium invests a not-insignificant amount of Investiture into the Barrier Storm, creating the proto-Everstorm in the Cognitive Realm. This process takes several centuries. 13) Finally, the Everstorm is pulled through into the Physical Realm on Roshar, creating a direct passage between Braize and Roshar. Questions: A] Why is this wrong? B] Were other Shards involved in the death of Ambition? Did Mercy join Odium for the final clash? Did Ambition? Did Endowment (who we know is relatively new to the Nalthian system)? Indeed... were Honor and/or Cultivation in on the kill? C] Did the death of Aona and Skai occur before the initial conflict with Uli Da in the Threnodite system; after this initial conflict but before the final conflict in the Rosharan system; or after the Rosharan conflict? D] When on this timeline did Honor and/or Cultivation arrive on Roshar? E] When was Odium's first contact with the humans on Ashyn?
  16. Do Seons and/or Skaze come in different "sizes" or power levels they way spren do (from small animal spren up to godspren, etc)? I know they are far fewer overall and dont have the same sort of ecosystem that they are a part of, but if they are "sparks" thrown off when the Shards were Shattered, were all those pieces of a uniform size? The question occurred to me recently but I couldnt find any info either way. Any thoughts? If not, anyone have an opportunity to ask a question coming up?
  17. The officer at the border wore an expression of attentive boredom, with more emphasis on boredom than attentiveness. There were few men manning the post, no more than five. Little competition for the Monks. "Kind sir, can you please state your name and purpose in coming here?" The monk, ignoring the officer, calmly grabbed an axe, not a hatchet or some other axe that could be used to cut wood, it was an axe of war. It also was clearly not meant to be thrown, the Monk either didn't know, or simply didn't care as he threw the axe with blinding speed at the man in front of him. More Monks stayed behind him, unmoving, it was considered the prerogative of the highest ranking Monk to take the kills. Moving faster still than any human, he dashed forward to grab his axe, snapping the kneck ot yet another officer while moving. That left three. With his axe again in hand, the Monk split another man in half before blocking the attack of yet another officer in the same motion. The man who had just attacked swept his blade back to slash at the Monk's side. When the Monk moved his axe to block the blade, the swing turned out to be a feint that reversed to cut at the Monk's head. However, attack failed to draw blood due to a faster than human duck. The Monk then cut diagonally, beginning at the man's shoulder and traveling to his hip. The man fell to the ground, the Monk was surprised by a stab forward from a a silver skinned man. The blade moved in a complex motion, slashing diagonally, then making a circle, then slashing in the opposite direction diagonally, then cutting at the face, the in to conflicting curves before slicing at the feet. After that last swing, a bright light flashed forward, killing the Monk. The man stared at his sword in disbelief. While he was absorbed in his awe, another Monk stepped forward and beheaded the man. "Ignorant men have no idea what they fight, to Elantris we must go." The Monks stepped over the body and across the the border into Arelon. During the skirmish, a sign had fallen. It read, "Welcome to Arelon, home of Elantris." _____ Hafbjorn has died, they were a Dakhor Monk and a fictional character. Five Guardsmen have died, they were innocent bystanders. Welcome to Quick-Fix 57: The Infiltrators of Elantris . I am your GM, and @Devotary of Spontaneity will be the IM. Signups will end at 2 PM, Thursday the 9th of December. Cycle One will follow shortly. The Rules: Basics: Alignments: Roles: Order of Actions: Players: Pinch-hitters: Spectators: Quick-Links:
  18. SPOILERS for SA, Mistborn, and Elantris. Not sure if this should be a post on the Sel Topic. So, I was doing some reading on the Coppermind, and noticed something on the Page for Dakhor. (source: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Dakhor) The Dor now, I'm pretty sure I saw a WoB once that I can't find right now, I'd be happy if someone found it, that said that every magic on Sel was powered by the Dor aka by BOTH Dominion and Devotion, not just one. Most people who've read Mistborn assumed Dakhor was a counterpart to Hemalurgy and AonDor to Allomancy, with one being powered by Ruin/Dominion and the other by Preservation/Devotion. Good vs Evil, yes. But that's not how the Dor is or works. WoB told us that every magic has the mix of both shards as a power source, so AonDor uses Dominions Investiture just as much as Dakhor uses Devotions. But now that we know what we know from RoW, what if that's just initially true. what if it should be "every challening (for lack of a better word) accesses the Dor initially, not just one shard.", and what the Dakhor Monks do by chanting is messing with that. Rythms Honor, Cultivation and Odium all have a Rythm. There are Rythms for the mix of them (The Rythm of War, for example). This is a Cosmere-wide phenomenon, as far as we know. Ruin's pulses from the Well of Ascension are similar to the Rythms, we know that. If my meh-tier understanding of all the magiphysics in RoW is correct, Navani and Raboniel could use the Rythms of Odium and Honor respectively to influence the shards investiture, their flow, and their combination. The Rythm of Dominion The simple conclusion here would be: The Dakhor monks chant the Rythm of Dominion to use specifically Dominions Investiture/Investiture aligned to Dominion for their magic. But even if we say the WoB "It's always Dor" still holds true, Selish magic is all about Keys. I think the Bones of Dakhor monks are more like the Aons on Plates that you can reactivate than the Aons you draw into the air. The making of a hyper-specific Key is the chanting itself, where different chants/rythms influence what kind of mix of Devotion and Dominion is channeled into a bone, thus deciding what kind of twisting the bone will do. Okay, aluminum foil hats on. The next points are all based on my initial theory (Dakhor chanting uses the Rythm of Dominion and maybe that of Devotion), and are wilder. 1. Anti-Investiture (source: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Dakhor) The Anti-Tones, from my understanding, sound the same as the Tones, but technically they are inverted, and it's the Intent that matters. I doubt that Dakhor chanters know "what we're doing is channeling the Anti-Tone of Devotion", but I assume an Intent like "we want this to block AonDor" could be enough to create Anti-Dor properties. Is Anti-Investiture how Dakhor monks can be resistant to or negate AonDor magic? Counterpoint: We've seen some pretty violent reactions when the lights meet. So either the violent reaction here happens in the cognitive realm, Dakhor blocking the Aons from even channeling much Investiture, or there's no Anti-Investiture involved. Then again, Anti-Light is described very similar to how Skaze are described, so maybe Dominions Investiture inherently has features similar to Anti-Investiture. 2. Svrakiss Next crackpot thesis: Svrakiss are Dakhor monks or Dakhor sacrifices. It is those that have a sufficient attunement to Investiture aside from their connection to their home country to come back as Cognitive Shadows. Now, we don't even know that Svrakiss even exist. But lets assume they do, and take what knowledge we have: Let's go in order. 1. half-ghost and half-demon. Sure sounds like Cognitive Shadows. 2. souls of men barred from entrance into heaven. -> don't enter the beyond because they're so invested that they don't pass on initially - or maybe at all. 3. Taking over bodies of living men and control their actions. If that doesn't scream Dominion, i don't know what does. 4. older concept than Shu-Dereths presence in Svorden. That's actually very neat for us. We know a) Elantris already existed when Shu-Keseg split and b ) Elantris the city is older than the splintering of Dominion and Devotion. We don't have a timeline, but it could be that the mythology of Svrakiss comes from a time before the Dor came to be. Another thing I want to highlight is the wording from this WoB: (Emphasis mine, source: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/3-firefight-chicago-signing/#e48) "Twisting" is exactly the vocabulary used for the bones of Dakhor monks, which from what we know are the key to Dakhor magic, and, as I've theorized, are influenced by Rythms. Now, this wording might be a coincidence, but I think it's possible that it isn't. Which leads me to my theory: Svrakiss today (when Elantris takes place) are either former Dakhor monks or specifically monks that have been sacrificed in Dakhor ritual. To further explain: Svrakiss in general are Cognitive Shadows based on Dominions Investiture, and some kind of mistwraith-spike-construct and/or Nahel-Bond parallel stuff happens for them to take over living bodies. Since D&D were shattered, Svrakiss don't really come to be anymore, since Cognitive Shadows don't happen in the Plasma that is the Dor, and since Dor users aren't aligned to Investiture in the same way that someone burning a metal or holding a lot of Stormlight might be. (I admit, this point is a bit iffy, we just know very little about the mechanics here and about the Dor). However, a Dakhor user or sacrifice would be so aligned to and filled with Dominions investiture due to the chanting that when they died or were sacrificed, they don't pass on into the Beyond directly ("barred from entrance into heaven") but rather become Svrakiss, still connected to the physical realm, half-ghosts and half-demons. What I'm saying is if Svrakiss are real, the very rare nature of sole-Dominion-aligned people dying might explain why they're so rare that no on-screen-character so far has seen one (aside from maybe Suit...). Counterpoint: The Cognitive Shadows we know aren't super affected by whose investiture they're using as shadows, from what we've seen. Second, maybe Svrakiss could also just be Dor-Cognitive-Shadows. Or something closer to the Threnody Shades than the Heralds and Returned. But, importantly, we only know the Shades as being from post-Ambitions-death, while Svrakiss mythology might be older than the splitering of D&D. Aluminum foil hats off. Again, the last two points are very out there. The first one, I think, might not be. I'm pretty sure that whenever the Elantris sequels come out and we learn more about Dakhor, the chanting will tie into the cosmere-wide phenomenon that are rythms.
  19. So, an idea I had a while back would be that I would love to have explored would be reincarnation in the Cosmere. I'd love to see older characters come back and play a role in other worlds. I'm not sure how it could work for most characters, since they'd have to have new names and origins, making it hard to tell who they were in a previous life, but I think it could be interesting. The person I can think of it working best would be Vin, or someone else who's held the full power of a shard. Maybe that could enable them to have some memory of their past life, similar to an expanded soul being able to linger in the cognitive realm. Though honestly, I'd just love to see her reincarnate in the second half of the stormlight series as a Windrunner, with Elend as an Elsecaller and maybe Ham as a singer.
  20. I did the math for some Sel dimensions, as we have it done for Roshar. We know Sel is 1.2 Cosmere Standard in Gravity and 1.5 Cosmere Standard in Size. We know that this basically identical to Earth due to some other calculations. Thus Gravity = 11.7684 m/s2 Radius = 9567.15 km Thus the Mass should come out to 1.61422 * 10^25 Kilograms. Density of 4.398419618528610187 g/cm^3 We do not know the year or day length as well as we do for Roshar, so cannot calculate the Orbital Period or Angular Velocity or any of that. At least not as of yet.
  21. In a recent WoB, A questioner asked if Shards themselves experiance time dilation(due to having such vast ammounts of Investiture) Brandon said that the Shards dont experiance time dilation because they are almost entirely in the Spiritual Realm(where time isnt relevant) He did state that large piles of Investiture that make it into the physical or cognitive realm are going to cause time dilation(which we already knew) he also ended the WoB by saying "That's gonna make some exclamation points raise above the heads of some people" This made me start thinking about places in the Cosmere with massive ammounts of free flowing investiture around. I Immidietely thought of Sel. A good portion of D+D is stuffed into the cognitive realm. So much so that the CR there is a massive "plasma" storm of Investiture. This should be causing time dilation around all of Sel. And if so, shouldnt all of Sel be moving through time faster than the rest of the cosmere?(or whatever the proper phrasing is) what are the implications of this?
  22. I was listening to the recent WoBs and a really interesting one came up Does this mean Sels CR has Time Dilation? Large amounts of Investiture in the CR… Could be part of the reason of why it’s dangerous to go to Sel, you go in and you come out 50 years later… Or is Time Dilation the other way around, I can never remember, it wouldn’t be as dangerous than Edit: Another WoB that practically confirmed it (Should have read the whole stream first…) https://wob.coppermind.net/events/467/#e14726
  23. Reading Khrissalla's article on the Selish system, I noticed an inconsistency. She does describe the innermost planet as inside the habitable zone, but as uncomfortably warm, even to somebody used to dayside Taldaine. That very much reads like she has been there in person. It is easy to describe why you would no that a planet carries life. You can see the souls in the subastral. But you do not get climate. The Cognitive Realm has no climate in our sense. She must have been there in person. And that raises a very important question. How? That very much looks like there is a perpendicularity on that planet. How did it get there?
  24. Zu is a transgender worldhopper. The events of The Emperor’s Soul happen before those of The Stormlight Archive. Shai states that the common guards... well, guarding her when she was forging Ashravan’s soul would “probably find themselves assigned to [...] guarding the passes leading down to the distant Teoish peninsula or the like” (Day 98). Earlier (Day 3), Gaotona states that Zu “is the only one of our Strikers to know the extent of the emperor’s injury, and only [Zu] knows of our plan with you. Other guards will watch you [...] and you are not to speak to them of your task”. If regular guards are being sent to the passes leading to Teod, is it too much of a stretch to assume Zu was sent further? To Arelon, even, where she could enter Devotion’s Perpendicularity like Galladon, Riino and Hoid, all of whom have been seen on Roshar since? In RoW, we see a Zu that is rather obscure when referring to her past, but we know she has had weapon experience. She could have used that experience when acting as a Reshi guide. Especially since the Coppermind states “She is more skilled with weaponry [...] than her account of her past allows”. Looks can be faked, better so in the Cosmere than on Earth. Just saying.
  25. Through use of forgery it is shown that one can take different paths in their past for different results to become different versions that could have been Since it has become apparent Hoid had an opportunity to become a shard at some point could forging his soul turn him into one?
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