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  1. I am rereading mistborn era 1, and I've thought a lot about lerasium (who hasn't?) and I'm curious how people would use it. Clearly the most common response would be to burn it to become Mistborn, but I feel you'd be wasting so much power on things like aluminum and gold. Let me present how I would use it, with a few variations. First off, I'm ignoring that becoming mistborn is a 'side effect' of lerasium, and I'm not sure either have been confirmed, but I am assuming that burning more or less will vary your power levels, as well as assuming that alloys of lerasium produce mistings. With my bead, I would split it into 16 pieces of equal size, and then alloy 6 of them with Steel, Iron, Pewter, tin, zinc and brass. I would then burn all of these alloys to become lerasium level mistborn for all of these. I would then burn the 10 other pieces as normal and become a full mistborn of 10/16 lerasium strength for all metals except those 6, where I am 26/16 times the strength of a lerasium mistborn, making me super powerful in all of those metals. In my mind, metals like duralumin and electrum will work just as well no matter your Allomantic strength. Duralumin will burn away all of your burning metals at once, whether you are a lerasium level mistborn, or a super diluted level mistborn. I don't think it matters. Electrum will still be poor mans atium, aluminum will still burn away your metals no matter your strength. The only reason I left 10 slivers of Lerasium is just in case I were to come across a new metal. If I knew I would never find a new one, I would actually put more lerasium into the other powers. That way, I would use a second piece of my lerasium bead in both steel and pewter, and maybe brass. I could also put a piece into copper and bronze, and being such a powerful user of those metals, I could possibly pierce copperclouds without a spike, and maybe make my own copperclouds unable to be pierced, even by someone with a spike. If I were to do all of those slight variations, I would end up being 21/16 LS (Lerasium Strength) in Iron, Tin, Zinc, Copper, and Bronze. I would be 37/16 LS in Steel, Pewter, and Brass. I would also be 5/16 LS in every other metal, which would all work the same, except possibly Bendalloy and Cadmium, which I'm not sure how they would react to the varying power. Now I am curious how other people would split theirs up, or if they would simply burn it, or keep it, or sell it, or whatever you would do. Let me know.
  2. So I've been thinking about whether it'd be possible to create a full feruchemist using lerasium? Since alloying lerasium with a metalmind makes a feruchemist of that metal, could you alloy lerasium with a metalmind that would form a full feruchemist? Perhaps nicrosil? Since nicrosil stores investiture, if a full feruchemist were to store their investiture inside a nicrosilmind and then alloy that with lerasium and a regular person were to burn it, would they become a full feruchemist? If I've made any terrible mistakes due to a lack of understanding of lerasium or nicrosil, feel free to correct me.
  3. So, this theory is centered around Lerasium, Allomancy, and Hemalurgy. The first thing we need to do is figure out Lerasium in Allomancy. See, there is this WoB that suggests that consuming Lerasium makes one Mistborn. However, burning it supposedly has a different effect, and it is also said that anyone can burn Lerasium. So, we'll use clues from our knowledge of the mists, Atium, and the Well of Ascension. So there is that quote from Kelsier: "It's the same power, after all. Solid in the metal you fed to Elend. Liquid in the pool you burned. Gaseous in the mists, confined to the night, hiding you, protecting you, giving you power! So, I figured something interesting: what if it really is the same power? The mists could be burned as a catch-all, any sort of metal, and more effective than any other as well. Evidence 1: Elend somehow obtained pewter that worked especially well, which saved his life after a gut wound. Or was it Lerasium? Evidence 2: Atium is a catch-all in Hemalurgy, so Lerasium should be a catch-all in Allomancy. So, Hemalurgy. Lerasium, near as I can figure, "preserves" more effectively. Since Atium "ruins" more effectively in Allomancy, as pointed out by Vin and Elend.
  4. As I understand it, in hemalurgy, atium is a universal spike capable of stealing any attribute (if the person making the spike has the proper knowledge). We also know the feruchemical and allomatic properties of Atium. We don't know any of the feruchemical, allomatic, or hemalurgical properties of Lerasium. Assuming that Lerasium can be used in hemalurgy (which seems reasonable, Trellium is hemalurgically viable), I propose that it would make spikes that don't suffer from hemalurgical decay. The attributes are preserved. Lerasium shouldn't compete with Atium as a universal spike. Without any real evidence, I'll suggest that Lerasium spikes can steal allomatic power (since it is Preservation's magic system), and perhaps human attributes (since there is a little more of Preservation in humans than Ruin.) Further theory: Harmonium, if it can be used without blowing up, is both a universal spike (from Ruin), and doesn't suffer from hemalurgical decay (from Preservation). sidenote: Is Trellium a universal spike? In shadows of self, it steals both allomatic and feruchemical abilities, and is used to make the hemalurgical constructs (apparantly from stolen animal attributes)
  5. So. As Brandon said, we've seen Hoid use allomancy, right? But he's never explicitly stated that Hoid consumed his Lerasium, we just know that he's an allomancer. So here is my proposal. On Coppermind, it states that Hoid uses feruchemy to gain "foresight." We know that Atium, a god metal like Lerasium, can be used temporally. As in, it let's one see into the future, and store age. Perhaps Lerasium is sort of the opposite in a way. After all, ruin and preservation are opposites too. So, what if atiums power to see into the future is FORESIGHT? And storing age-most likely works in the Spiritual realm. Now, I read a post earlier that basically said that allomantically utilizing Lerasium makes one mistborn, in a way similar to forgery in that it is changing an object's past to affect its present. SPIRITUALLY! Now, if Lerasium has a spiritual effect through Allomancy and Atium through Feruchemy, both temporally (somewhat), then perhaps in Atium allomancy, foresight, works the same way as Lerasium Feruchemy: storing FORESIGHT. I guess you know where this is going. Hoid never ate that Lerasium. He has been using it as a metalmind for feruchemy this whole time. A lerasiummind. He's waiting for that Atium at the Pits of Hathsin to reform so he can collect it, burn his Lerasium, and use it, effectively leaving him with omega-allomancy and Atium. He's simply using his Lerasium metalmind as a substitute till then. BAM. Theory complete.
  6. What happens when a spren burn a lerasium bead? (Let's just assume spren can burn Lerasium beads) When someone burns lerasium their spiritweb is rewritten so that they are connected to Preservation and make them an allomancer. So if a sentient spren were to become an allomancer can they burn themselves when they take their metal form? What about when they form a nahel bond. The nahel bond is when a spren forces their spiritweb into the identy of another sentient being. So now that their spiritwebs are fused can the radiant perform allomancy. Can the radiant burn his shardbalde even if it has a different identity(the radiant's spren) since the spren's spiritweb is fused to the radiant's?
  7. 1) Basically what it says in the title. Would an allomancer be able to push on a piece of lerasium? Reason for inquiry: in Stormlight, it is mentioned that shardplate and shardblades cannot be affected by the Surges. Sp & Sb are basically concentrated Investiture. In Mistborn (the series), it is also mentioned that hemalurgically and feruchemically charged metal are harder to affect with allomancy than metals without a charge. Basically, what the question is actually saying is 'does how much Investiture something holds affect how much it can be affected by Investiture? Because if it does then you wouldn't be able to affect lerasium. Otherwise, you would be able to push on lerasium.
  8. So I created an account just so I could pose this questions to everyone. Be warned, Oathbringer spoilers here! ---- We now have scenes from Oathbringer (as well as WoB) demonstrating the use of one type of investiture to fuel a different off world sub-type of magic (ex. Szeth using stormlight to fuel Nightblood rather than breath). Now that Hoid is Knight Radiant in addition to a fully powered lerasium mistborn what sort of effect would stormlight have fueling allomancy? We see Kaladain receive a renewing supply of energy flying at the front of the everstorm and Szeth able to unleash the full effects of Nightblood without having to utilize biochromatic breath. Would stormlight act as a "metal supply" for Hoid? And if so, would it also potentially fuel him with an "atium reserve", possibly even a renewing one if he was near the everstorm? Conversely what sort of effect would metal vials have fueling surgebinding?
  9. We've been led to believe since the very beginning that feruchemy is completely end-neutral, meaning that you always get out the same power that you put in. (Excluding compounding) Something that I noticed while rereading the Mistborn era one books, however, seems to not match the pattern! Atium! Atium is not end neutral! The trait that it stores is age, which means that as soon as you store it, you've lost the time that you spent being old to store it in the first place! Let me explain better: if you were to store age in an Atium metalmind, even only for a few seconds, then use it to become equally younger for the same amount of time, you would be OLDER by a few seconds at the end, then when you started! Someone needs to ask Brandon if this is a quirk of storing an atribute that naturally decays over time (people age constantly), or if the feruchemical use of Atium is end-negative on purpose, because it is of Ruins power. If it isn't just a quirk, or I'm not a crazy person, this could mean that lerasium should be able to store something end-positive, which people gain over time rather than loose, (wild speculation ahead) such as wisdom or experience. Stormfather! I think I might have found something! Thoughts and criticisms?
  10. WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD! DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU'VE READ FINISHED THE MISTBORN 1ST AGE TRILOGY Well, let's start off with what we know about Lerasium: Lerasium is the metal that Eland burned and gained mistborn powers with after getting gutted at the climax of the Well of Ascension, which allowed him to burn pewter and survive the otherwise fatal wound. Lerasium is the god metal of the shard of Preservation, and is named after Preservation's original (post-shattering) holder, Leras. The coppermind wiki states that if you alloy it with another allomantic metal, it makes people who burn the metal into mistings of the metal it is alloyed with, though how they learned this I have yet to determine. Due to being a pure metal instead of an alloy, it is a pulling metal. Now that we've established what we know about Lerasium, it's theory time: First, let's ask some questions: Does Lerasium have an allomantic alloy pairing, or does the misting-making alloy property eliminate a need for an allomantic pushing/pulling pairing? If so, what would said alloy do? What are Lerasium's Feruchemical/Hemalurgic properties? Is there still Lerasium out there in the 2nd age, waiting to be discovered? Well, personally, here are my theories as relating to the questions: For the first question, I think that the answer is most definitely yes. It does have a pushing/pulling pairing, weird other alloys or no weird other alloys. For the second question, I think it is very probable (unfortunately), that its paired alloy removes the powers of allomancers that burn it (think of it like permanent aluminum). However it could be one of those weird pairings (like tin/pewter) that does something completely different. Like grant feruchemical abilities, for example (that would be really, really cool). As for the third question, I'm stumped. I'm not even going to try to guess until I've thought this over a whole lot more. I'll probably just have to RAFO. As for the fourth, this is a tossup. On one hand, there were boatloads of Atium (Ruin's god metal), but on the other hand, Preservation stole Ruin's body (or something similar), but Preservation's body was never stolen (or anything similar). HOWEVER, Preservation spent most of his time barely holding together, not to mention dying and being inherited by a keeper who was less than Ideal (I'm not talking about Vin. Listen to Mistborn: Secret History if you want to know who.) and could barely hold together. I personally think it's very likely, though not nearly as likely as my Lerasium Alloy theory. Feel free to discuss and thell me what you guys think!
  11. For the following questions, we are assuming that in the Well of Ascension Vin had a way to cut or divide the Lerasium nugget into two or more pieces. Otherwise these questions are irrelevant. When Vin found found the nugget of Lerasium in the Well of Ascension and gave it to Elend, why didn't she break it in half to have to pieces of Lerasium? Does the size of the Lerasium nugget determine the power of the Mistborn? We know that hereditary Mistborn abilities are less powerful than those that have actually burned Lerasium, so if Vin burned Lerasium would the power she already had be added to the new strength she got from the Lerasium, or would she just be brought up to the level of power that Elend has? I don't spend a whole ton of time reading theories, so if I asked any questions that are already answered or if I've accidentally taken taken someone else's I'm sorry about that.
  12. Q1) When you burn a Lerasium + Metal Alloy it creates a misting. Why not just purify the bead to pure Lerasium and make a full Mistborn? Q2) Does the size of the Lerasium bead denote how strong they will be e.g. 5g Bead creates a Mistborn and 10g Bead creates a Mistborn twice as powerful? Q3) If you are a misting and burn a Lerasium + Metal Alloy do you gain a second power or can you not burn the metal? If anyone has any answers or theories or even just wild speculation it would be much appreciated, this has been bugging me for a while.
  13. We have a WOB that lersium is present in mist but it is in so small amount that it can not be noticed. But with scientific advances on scardial , it is possible to separate lerasium from the mist. Although the mists are very rare after the final accession , There is still mention of two types of mists on scardial . It is much easier than tracing the bloodlines of Lord mistborn . Any thoughts on this ? Its also possible that atium is present in the other kind of mist.
  14. Does anyone think it is possible to have a lerasium ferring? Also what would their ability be?
  15. I'm back! I know I've been absent for a while (and I think I was midway through a conversation on another thread when I left; awkward!). I'm just here to post a theory in the vain hope no one else has thought of it before me (like what happened last time...) Onto the Theory/Hunch: relatively recently I encountered a WoB that blew my mind: Source Now you may recall me theorizing back in 2013 that, just as one acquires Allomancy through burning (Lerasium), one would acquire Feruchemy through tapping. You also may recall that the Well of Ascension (and its cache of Lerasium beads, encased in their weird pottery) was formerly in Terris. My theory is this... Feruchemy came from the ancestors of the Terris, to whom the prophecies were given, tapping the beads of Lerasium at the Well of Ascension to gain Feruchemy. Once each bead's charge was tapped, they were left at the Well; either no one told them the beads could be burned (and why would you stick something sacred in your mouth?), or else the beads didn't have the Allomancy charge at that stage. If the latter, it is possible that being left at the well gave them the ability to make Allomancers, though that is just idle speculation, and not directly relevant to my totally iron clad speculation that the beads were the source of Feruchemy. Thoughts? Further evidence? We-thought-of-this-ages-ago-Kadrok-go-back-to-the-rock-you've-been-hiding-under?
  16. Hi! Kell here. Alright, you may be bored with my crazy theories and questions by now but I'll still post. Atium, or Ruin, can store age with as its Feruchemical Attribute and steal any power via Hemalurgy. However, we haven't the slightest on what Lerasium, or Fuzz, and Ettmetal/Harmonium, or Saze steals/stores. (Another interesting topic is what happens to a Harmonium Savant, but I'll get teh dat later in my illustrious career.) I have a few peculiar ideas, and here they are! Metal: Lerasium Feruchemical Attribute: External time/age (Like Atium, but external-Makes objects you touch age web tapping, makes them 'rewind' during active storage) Hemalurgic thing: Steals all previous Hemalurgic attributes in target Metal: Harmonium/Ettmetal Feruchemical attribute: During active storage, rewinds time at a slow rate and when tapped, time goes forward at a slow rate. Harmonium Metalminds can't store much time, severely limiting the ability. Hemalurgic thing: Steals all targets memories or steals physical appearance (like a human Kandra) Ising I excited seeing to your posting of ideas!
  17. Hoid is not an Allomancer. Okay... maybe he is, but I want to suggest and alternate interpretation of the evidence. In one of the Shallan flashbacks, Hoid seems to be using allomancy. Given that he once obtained a bead of lerasium, it seems logical to assume that he used the bead to become a mistborn. However, he doesn't need the bead to be able to use allomancy. We know that he has been introduced to the southern scandrialian's metal arts medallions. He could very easily be using one of these medallions when he used the allomancy seen in the book. Further, there is some evidence from his letter that the bead may still be intact. So I suggest he didn't use the bead to become a mistborn, but that he still has it (probably implanted under his skin). Perhaps he is even using it a a feruchemical metalmind.
  18. I was rereading Mistborn and a question accured to me about Lerasium alloys. If you were to burn a lerasium alloy, then burn another lerasium alloy, what do you think would happen? Would your new ability replace the old one? Would you get all Mistborn powers? Or only the two?
  19. In The Well of Ascension we see Lerasium burned by Elend so that he becomes a Mistborn of extremely powerful Investiture. However, Brandon has said in his notes that this is simply a side effect of burning Lerasium, not the main effect. Now, I'm not sure if someone else made a topic on this already (I tried looking but couldn't find anything), but it seems fairly obvious to me what that function is. When burned, Lerasium should be able to be used in place of any allomantic metal reserve (i.e. I could burn Lerasium as a mistborn and, if I chose, get extra strength, speed, and balance as if I were burning very pure allomantic pewter). Here is my evidence... Lerasium is related to Preservation and is thus linked to Allomancy. Its opposite, Atium, is related to Ruin and Hemalurgy. So, if we see how Atium acts in Hemalurgy, it may give us a clue about how Lerasium acts in Allomancy. As a Hemalurgic spike, Atium steals any attribute/Investiture, so Lerasium in my mind should at likewise. Throughout the original Mistborn trilogy, Vin draws in the mists, the gaseous form of Lerasium, and burns them for super heightened Allomantic strength, such as when her Allomantic steel power can see the Lord Rulers bands even though they are heavily invested (and maybe pierce his skin? I don't remember...). However, toward the end of Hero of Ages, Vin draws the mists in her fight against Marsh and burns Lerasium in this way, gaining other allomantic powers by only burning the mists. I don't have a physical copy of the novel, so I can't quote directly from the book, but that is how I remember that scene happening. However, this brings up another question. If Atium and Lerasium both perform all functions within their respective systems, can Harmonium do the same within Feruchemy, storing and tapping any attribute (that can be stored and tapped through other metals)? Harmonium is ettmetal, so it may be difficult to keep a Harmonium metalmind from exploding, making this theory unlikely, but I believe it needed to be discussed. Again, I don't know if someone else came to this conclusion already, I assumed this was common knowledge until I could not find anything on it.
  20. Forewarning... this thread serves multiple purposes. (Unless I get persuaded to split them up later, you never know) As anyone who took an interest in the mechanics of Allomancy would know, someone who burns Lerasium becomes a powerful Mistborn. But that power weakens across the generations up to a point. This point, at which average Allomantic power will not get any weaker, has been reached by Era 2. This thread is designed to serve both as a chart comparing the relative power of Allomancers over the generations, and as a mathematical discussion of the weakening of average Allomantic power as it drifts away from Lerasium. Maths Tab Originally, I speculated that the power loss between generations was a steady, even decline each generation. This presented several problems, and one of them led to that equation (y=mx+b) being scrapped. The issue with that equation is that the decline does not stop and level out like it has on Scadrial. Now, I am considering an exponential decay equation, as the slope will even out eventually. If someone has a different base formula that works as well, please suggest it. Now, onto the other important markers on the final graph. As the power weakens over the generations, it seemed logical to figure out how many generations had passed from Lerasium to Wax/Wayne. The Lord Ruler died in 1022 FE. I assumed he needed a year to set everything up and select the original Allomancers after using the Well. The Empire fell a year before the Well refilled (1024 total), hence 1022 yrs of Final Empire. Sazed ascends shortly after Vin's death in 1025 FE. Assuming that since Wax is part of the weakest generation, we only need the time gap to his birth date, which is 299 PC. This makes the total time-gap from Lerasium to Wax roughly 1324 years. I leave people to theorize while I read up on exponential decay and come up with an equation that I can easily explain and/or understand. Power Level Chart To be added, formatted and updated later Base Rules for now: Era 1(Vin) is stronger than Era 2(Wax/Wayne) Era 2 Flaring may be stronger than Era 1 Baseline Duralumin Burn beats Lerasium Baseline (Elend) Elend with Duralumin is more or less The Lord Ruler Baseline Both a Spiked individual and a Savant can pierce a Coppercloud, while Flaring cannot. Assumptions: (Until Brandon says yes or no on the subject) Savant Baseline is stronger than Flaring (hasn't been expressly confirmed yet) Mist-Fueled Elend/Marsh equates to Mistpoint Mistpoint is the strongest that an Allomancer can be Source Tab Since I cannot use superscript, things that are sourced to a WoB will have the number in parentheses. Final Notes Credit goes to Robardin for creating the original list that spawned this idea. I'm sorry Jondesu, but they're still just called Power levels for now.
  21. From the album Mistborn Sketches

    A sketch of the 18 allomantic metals. Because why not. I did this as a sketchbook assignment in a high school art class; I suspect my teacher may be confused but *shrugs* it needed to be drawn.
  22. Okay guys, hear me out. I was wondering if there was a way to gain the powers of someone who was a Metalborn by other means than Hemalurgy. Emphasis on was. I`ve always thought that normal metals just burn up, but that when someone burns Lerasium, they somehow absorb it, as in that their blood or that their bones come to consist, at least partly, of Lerasium. I think that blood could be the most likely, since mothers share their blood with their unborn babies, which could be the way Allomancy is passed on. Could it be possible to somehow extract the Lerasium that might still be existent in a Mistborn`s body, and to recycle it? Or should you just consume a Mistborn`s body whole, so just when they`ve died? Also, do we have a WoB on this or this is already a theory? I don`t roam these forums often, so please, enlighten me
  23. Hi All, First theory (YAY!) so let's dig in. I'm very much obsessed with Hoid. What is he doing on the Shardworlds, what does he want, what's his ties to the current (and past) shardholders and what Investiture does he hold. I'll start off with what I've discovered in my readings and then run into my theory. Note: My theory is central to the Chronology of the Cosmere and knowledge of all Cosmere books. As I mentioned, this theory is based on documentation from all books so careful for spoilers for all Cosmere books. On that note, I'm just going to spoiler tag the whole post Thanks for reading, I know this was fairly long. Let me know your thoughts
  24. How can I talk a proud stick into being a lowly bead of Lerasium?
  25. Apologies in advance if this has been brought up before. I searched the forum, wiki and google for any derivative of the word 'Adonals' before posting this, so I am not sure if it has been mentioned. If so, please direct me to the appropriate place/WOBs. Appreciated. Alright, so recently I started reading Warbreaker again because I absolutely love Lightsong. When it got to the section with Hoid, Lightsong and Siri I was of course interested because this is my first re-read after having found the 17th Shard and learned theories of the Cosmere. After Hoid completed his history of Hallandren he said something I had not noticed before in reference to his storytelling/[Lightweaving]. "I learned it many, many years ago from a man who didn't know who he was, your Majesty. It was a distant place where two lands meet and gods have died." I thought about who that friend may have been, and of course my brain jumped to the biggest thing it possibly could, Adonalsium itself. This got me to think something; what if the biggest clue about Adonalsium right there in the name: -ium. Lerasium. Atium. Leras. Ati. Therefore, I believe Adonalsium is actually Adonals This fits right into how so many worlds in the Cosmere worship some other, greater god out there - and how often it does not seem like that would be Adonalsium Itself. So, the pieces of my theory fall thusly: 1) There is a greater power that has existed long before the creation of Adonalsium 2) A living being called Adonals found a way to steal/harvest/merge with energy of this higher power 3) Adonals became a physical embodiment of a portion of this power, taking the suffix '-ium' 4) When Adonalsium was shattered it caused the greater power to lose much of its ability to effect the Cosmere - while maintaining its sentience it can only act in very subtle ways And.... Sorry, don't really know exactly where I was going with this... I just don't recall ever having heard anything along these lines and I wanted to see what y'all have to say. I need to go to my university now for some paperwork, and I will try to flesh out this theory in my head a little better while I am gone. Thanks for listening to my ramblings.