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  1. From what I can gather, Investiture healing is an act on the Physical self to align it towards the Spiritual self. The three big limitations are access to Investiture, the magic system's particular rules for healing (e.g. all Radiants can self-heal but only two Orders can heal others via Surge of Progression), and the Cognitive self. What I'm wondering is the distinction between the Cognitive and Spiritual selves. Stormlight Archives frequently comments on wounds being too old to be healed, because the person's Cognitive self has changed to consider the wound part of oneself. Kaladin's scar wouldn't heal itself, again because of a Cognitive impediment: he couldn't let go of what the scar meant to him. Lopen, meanwhile, could heal back a whole arm because he never saw himself as a one-armed Herdazian, and therefore his Spiritual ideal came through. So we've seen good and bad examples of perception filtering the Spiritual properly or else hindering it: but can the Cognitive harm as well, rather than just hinder? For example, you see yourself as one-armed such that attempting to heal takes your arm off instead? I believe Kaladin's scar is in fact a minor example of this idea, but it makes me wonder: how can a person tell whether a healing has worked "correctly" (i.e. the Cognitive is well-aligned to the Spiritual), or if there's been an impediment? Because either way, the result will ultimately align with the person's perception and expectations, so judging by what the person "wanted" to happen isn't a foolproof metric. What's even the difference between the Spiritual and Cognitive self if healing always fits to the Cognitive over the Spiritual when the two are misaligned?
  2. Cosmere healing is almost always filtered through the wielder's perception of themselves. Does this mean that, theoretically, a person could become really, really attached to an article of clothing, always wearing it and keeping it close to the extent that it could become ingrained into their perception of themselves so that when they healed (F-gold or Surgebinding) that the clothing would "heal" too? I imagine you'd almost need a form of obsession to make this work, but would it be possible to make happen?
  3. I'm basing these questions on some other ideas posed on the TotES board. Ideas like if Taldain's sand is an Aether, and I'll be making a couple steps as if that were true. > Spores are meant to be taken to the stars and Zephyr will serve as emergency oxygen. Will spore bullets be a generally commercial solution to Invested healing? Bullets that are relatively inert until they puncture flesh and then grow explosively, constantly draining blood could give even Wayne or a Kandra a bad day. Verdant, Zephyr, Crimson, and Sunlight all seem really bad for the digestion and complexion, either exploding, cooking, piercing, or binding the target. A big chunk of Rosite in the gut, far too big for the entrance wound could give healers a lot of disomfort until they could remove the chunk as well. >Let's assume that Taldain sand is an Aether. Sand Mastery in general seems like a hassle to use off world, BUT what if Sand Masters don't only control sand, what if they control any Aether, breaking them free from a Prime Aether? I'm no expert but this seems like something Autonomy might be able to do, and may have intentionally built a group to oppose the Aethers. > Related to this, what if Bavadin wasn't only making a group of Sand Masters but also an ecology resistant to Aethers in the form of Terken sandlings? Terken disrupts Sand Mastery, and the can be used to coat weapons, armor, and even bodies. What if this disruptive effect extended to other Aethers? On a side note, sandlings would be a potent invasive species on Lumar, particularly if they could subsist on spores. >Next thought is if Over Mastery for Sand Masters as a method for increasing the number of Luhel bonds would work for an Aetherbound. Not much to add to this, simply something to watch for. Basically this would be a really cool way to make Taldain relevant once Aethers enter the scene which they are starting to. Bavadin is definitely setup as another antagonistic Shard Most of this assumes that one Aether they were confused about in TotES is Taldain sand and is in fact an Aether (or functions enough like an Aether that Sand Masters can control Aethers). Thoughts? If I've reposted someone else's idea, I apologize.
  4. We know that it is already possible to be healed and survive a Shardblade blow to the head or spine, but only if the Surge of Regrowth or theoretically some other form of Invested healing were to come from someone else. Plus, it requires a lot of Investiture and must come immediately after death. We also know that the medallion tech made by the Southern Scadriens is more "automatic" than normal Metalminds and is moving further towards becoming mechanically based than will based. So my idea is that it may be possible to create a Fabrial (or specialized Metalmind tech, if you will) that could automatically heal you of a Shardblade induced death.
  5. Can someone who is hypnotized be healed (storm light, gold, etc) into their hypnotized view? What about something new that doesn’t exist, such as a human with 2 guts, 1 regular and 1 that isn’t used, but is identical to a bird’s? Is it possible for someone to commit suicide via Health?
  6. Most forms of Invested healing in the Cosmere use the Spiritual aspect as a blueprint filtered through the Cognitive aspect to direct the Investiture in question so that it heals the Physical aspect. But how can you heal the Spiritual aspect then, if the blueprint itself is damaged? Does the Cognitive aspect take complete control then, or what?
  7. the surges of growth/regrowth are said to influence the growth of living organisams gold healing accelerates growth can growth influence gold not to work as well as it should? limit it?
  8. Would stormlight healing etc. Destroy Borg nanoprobes and prevent assimilation? I just had a dream about this and wanted to ask other people's thoughts.
  9. So, I was wondering what would happen if a color blind person were to heal using stormlight (or other ways like f-gold) They would change to how they see themself. Well, if they see themself as duller or different in color than a normal person, would their skin and hair change color? just a weird thought.
  10. So miles can survive almost anything and hoid could have a great healing ability. We know for sure he does have one , although probably not as robust as gold compounding is . So thoughts ?
  11. So when I first read Elantris, I thought it was kind of odd that Adien's autism was just healed when Raoden heals Elantris. Since autism is connected to increased memorization and perception, as displayed in Adien's knowledge of distances, I wasn't sure how that would transfer after the healing. Now that I know more about the Cosmere and how healing works to form one's ideal self, I believe it's more likely that whatever made him unable to communicate was healed, rather than the entirety of his autism. "I...I feel like my entire life has been a dream, Raoden. I remember everything that happened. But I couldn't interact - I couldn't say anything. That's changed now, but one thing remains the same. My mind ... I've always been able to figure numbers..." Going off of this quote after he healed, it seems like his ideal self would be able to interact with others, but he would also retain his mind as it was. I thought it would be neat if in the next book, he's written as a high-functioning autistic rather than a regular Elantrian that is good with numbers. I'm curious as to what others think about this, let me know!
  12. So let's say there's a person whose addicted to nicotine. Then, they bond with a spren and get access to stormlight healing. Like Teft, this person's addiction has become a part of his spiritual identity, so it can't be healed by stormlight. If this person smoked and then sucked in stormlight, would the stormlight remove the nicotine like it removed alcohol from Shallan? If it did wipe away the nicotine, would the surgebinder feel withdrawal symptoms, or would the stormlight prevent those symptoms? If stormlight didn't heal the withdrawal symptoms, what would happen if the surgebinder was a heroin addict, where the withdrawal symptoms could kill them? Would the stormlight actually cause the surgebinder to die? Or would it keep the surgebinder from dying, but also not heal the withdrawal symptoms, keeping them on the verge of death?
  13. I tried looking around, but couldn't find any topics with this theory, so I figured it might be an interesting first post. I will here try to give my theory for the mechanism that makes healing, in general throughout the cosmere works, and hopefully back it up with some good sources. Statement 1: Physical healing (at least the ones I will talk about, e.g. F-gold & stormlight) heals by making the physical body adhere to the Spiritual ideal. Statement 2: Spiritual healing works directly on the spiritweb, and there is no ideal for the spirit to adhere to, and must therefore be a different mechanism. Statement 3: Forgery instantly affects the physical, by causing it to adhere to the Forged Spiritual ideal. Statement 4: The body can be changed without changing the Spiritual ideal. (This is obvious because the body can be damaged and then healed back it's unchanged ideal) Statement 5: Time does not exist in the Spiritual Realm. Statement 1 & 2 I will only use to remove Spiritual healing from this theory, as my proposed solution would not affect the Spiritweb. Statements 3 & 4 together show that static spiritweb without external influence does not affect the Physical aspect, while a changing spiritweb does affect the Physical aspect. This makes me to come the conlusion that: A static Spiritweb does not filter down into the physical, but a changing Spiritweb does. Using this concept I believe that physical healing works by "rippling" the Spiritweb. This causes the Spiritweb to change, as in not being static, but it doesn't actually change any of the information contained in it. By rippling the Spiritweb like this it forces the Physical aspect to adhere to the Spiritual again, and a stronger ripple would result in a faster healing. The reason Forgery looks instant would be because the change is severe enough to count as a very large change, and cause the Physical to update quicker. Since time does not exist in the Spiritual Realm, the only way for things to change is through at direct causal chain. In other words things can't change (on their own) or over time. Therefore the only way to cause an update in the Spiritual realm is to directly start a causal chain from the Physical Realm, where time does exist. I've included what evidence for I could come up with, but there are some other explanations that could also explain it. The side effect of each magic could simply directly cause these things to happen. Gold could simply "look at your spiritual, and then change the Physical to match it", rather than go through the extra step of starting a ripple in your Spiritweb. Since every time the Spiritweb changes, there is some cause, proven by the fact that time does not exist in the Spiritual Realm, means that we don't, and likely never will, have a case where the Spiritweb constantly changes without some external cause. And this would really be the only way to prove or disprove the over-arching theory, as the static Spiritweb part is proven trivially. Thank you for taking the time to read this theory, may the ripping-it-to-shreds begin.
  14. So with how quickly the knights radiant heal, perfectly mending all wounds, it seems, do the radiants age? With how healing works in our normal bodies, those of us who can't absorb stormlight, do cells make perfect copies, much like wolverine does?
  15. So I’ve been thinking about all that we’ve seen stormlight do, and I got curios about what storm light could potentially do. It can heal eyesight (renarin), it can heal shardblade cuts, broken bones, arrows through the face, burns away toxins, helps with the cold, and they don’t need to breath when holding. So what else can it do? It’s said that the best way to kill a radiant is decapitation, or a shard slice through the spine. But could it help with dehydration? Could it help with starvation and other stuff like bad eyesight, for example, bad hearing? And how does it determine what needs to be healed? If someone is born without a finger would it grow a new one? Or what if someone was born with an extra finger? Would the stormlight remove it? i would love to hear your thoughts on this. P.S. why did it heal renarins eyesight? Wouldn’t it be like kaladins scares, or rysns legs?
  16. We've seen in the cosmere that most healing works by changing your physical self to more accuratly match your spiritual self. It has also been said that after a person has accepted a wound and learned to work around it magical healing won't work because your spiritual self would have changed. So that brings me to Lopen. In WoR we see him start to regrow his arm and it finishes in OB. But by this point hasn't Lopen accepted his missing arm? Why is he healed?
  17. Not sure if it was discussed here already, and it's not exactly on topic, but I've been reading the book for the past few days, and I can't stop thinking about the way of healing that can be used to cure any and all physical diseases very efficiently. All you need is one person with high enough awakening and one Drab. Basically, the patient gives his Breath to Drab (I think just giving it to random item might also work, but not sure if a person with one breath can even infuse it into the item), then the "healer" gives his breath to the patient, the patient is cured of all ailments, and then the breath is returned to the healer, and original breath is returned by the drab to the patient. Surely there might be some crimes involved (e.g. breath terrorism, when someone pretends to be I'll and takes the breath of a healer, and then refuses to return it), but with necessary precautions it's possible to eliminate most of the problems. (E.g. performing healing in a specific colorless room so the patient can't awaken and run away, etc.). Still it's a bit risky, since someone might just refuse to give up stolen breath even if they are threatened to be killed, and I'm not sure how to solve this problem completely (unless it's possible to force anyone to give up their breath using torture, but that's probably not true). Very few people would be willing to try and steal from healers, if it was established as the highest offense. Sure, if they succeed, they can gain potential immortality, but if they are tortured and crippled permanently, breath won't help with that, so there is little point unless you want to specifically destroy the big quantity of Breath at a cost of your life. Which still may be a viable enough reason for the spies/terrorists of the enemy countries, but that's pretty much it. Please correct me if I'm missing something, but to me this sounds like a very viable method, and even the most pious members of both religions should be able to see the clear benefits of using it. There are no downsides besides the point that one person needs to hold a large quantity of Breaths of different people. But as long as those people are willingly sold those Breaths (which already happens anyway), or just donated/sold the Breath before their death (since it doesn't seem like Breath is actually a soul, just some sort of power). It doesn't seem like the Breath of a dying person is significantly worse than breath of a healthy person, as long as enough breathes are collected this way, a healer can be born. Healer himself will get an obvious benefit of living an extremely long life, even though his position comes with obvious risks (e.g. their life is worth a ton of money, so they are an obvious target for kidnappers). There is also a risk that healer may try and escape, but it can be solved by treating healers like monks (e.g. if they give up on their position, they will have to return the breath, while their original breath can also be temproarily given to a Drab working at the temple).
  18. So quite simply, my question is would a gold compounder be able to survive having their central nervous system severed by a shardblade? We know that gold healing is fundamentally the same as all healing in the cosmere, and so if stormlight can heal a shardblade wound then so can gold feruchemy. But we also know that gold compounders can heal from basically any wound as long as they have access to their metalminds. So would they be able to heal from a normally mortal wound from a shardblade? Or is that a special exception?
  19. I have had this in my mind since way back when we learned that healing mostly depended on the self-image of the healed person (at least with Stormlight). Does this mean that if for some reason, call it magic, call it brainwashing, or the super-power of extreme self-delusion, you had a Radiant believe that he is phisically different from what he is, he would "heal" into that new shape? You convince a tall man that he was short and should be short, or convince another that he was changed to a man by evil magic but he was instead a woman... Would they eventually "heal" themselves until they are a short man and a woman, respectively? Or maybe it wold only work with less drastic changes, like change of skin tone, gain/loss of muscular mass, minor alterations in facial features, etc... Is this possible to "heal" into something/someone else if you confuse enough the mind that's supposed to filter the investiture? Possible cons: I do remember mention of a "perfect version of self" stored in the Spiritual realm, that the cognitive aspect uses as a template for healing, but that "perfect version" ought to be modificable, or else no matter how Kaladin sees himself, his perfect version wouldn't have scars and he would not heal them back.
  20. Hey all I’m new in the forums and I had a few questions. I was listening to The Final Empire again and a thought came to my head when Sazed is explaining to Vin that he is a Eunuch. In The alloy of law Wayne makes a statement about having fingers blown off and having to grow them back. Now with Sazed being a feruchemist he has the same healing ability as Wayne so if Wayne is able to grow back body parts ie. fingers in this case. Shouldn’t Sazed be able to grow back his male genitalia? Is there something I’m missing that makes it so he cannot.
  21. My question has to do with how the use of stormlight is supposed to restore the physical aspect of the Radient back to the way their spiritual aspect views itself. I have this weird thing where I don't really remember what people look like until I see them again (it's not face blindness), and it applies to me as well. When I'm not looking in the mirror, I have a lot of trouble remembering what I look like when I'm not staring at myself in the mirror. As a result, my mental image of myself is like a larger version of the way I looked when I was a child. So, if I or someone like me formed a nahel bond and gained the ability to draw in stormlight to heal, do you think they would be restored to their mental image of themselves rather than how they look physically? Does such a strong mental imprint count as being part of the spiritual aspect of a person? What if the Radient had never looked into a mirror or suitably reflective surface; would their spiritual aspect of themselves be closer to the way they see themselves or the way they're actually put together?
  22. Hi, I've been rereading Alloy of Law and it has made me think: I hace been looking through past posts and WoB but there is just so much there! So please feel free to redirect me if this is answered elsewhere. We know a bloodmaker can choose the rate at which they heal, but can they choose which wounds to heal? If they had a broken leg and a shallow cut could they choose to just heal the leg, or would both heal at the same rate? What if they had a broken arm and a broken leg - could they differentiate between two injuries of the same type? Any thoughts?
  23. This will, perhaps, surprise no one, but Brandon confirmed on Reddit that the act of Returning heals and restores the body. You can read the entire exchange by following the link (it has some interesting but not groundbreaking tidbits about Lightsong's own Return and how long it takes for somebody to Return), but the gist of it is this: Credit to /u/Phantine for asking the question(s).
  24. So, shapeshifting. That does not have a large position in the cosmere books. I don't think we have really seen it at all, so your curiosity should be piqued. Instead, let me walk you through healing: We know that the reason Kaladin did not heal his slave brand, but Lopen healed his arm was due to their perceptions of themselves. Kaladin saw himself with his slave brand. Basically, healing is modelled after a certain pattern defined by self perception. I think most people having read the night angel trilogy notice something here (massive night angel spoilers): I should introduce the following assumption here: Healing occurs whenever someone's physique differs from the perception/pattern proposed. Basically, it amounts to this. If someone who can heal changes how they see themselves, they will shapeshift, and this could be used to powerful ends. What do you think? Please tell me if I missed something. EDIT: Added a spoiler tag
  25. I am reading the Warbreaker Annotations and this make me think: Therefore my doubt is: May a Returned heals a Drab ? And May he/she heals an other-Shardworld's Human?
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