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  1. My theory is that the spren were in agreement with their bondmates to die and cause the Recreance. Both the Knights and their spren decided that Honor was correct and that they would end up destroying the world if they were allowed to continue to surgebind. Without Honor, Notum and Ishar say there are fewer checks on their power, and we know they actually did destroy their previous planet. They deliberately allowed their Knights to break their Oaths, knowing that it would kill them, and alienate the remaining spren, so that no spren would be willing to seek out a bond for the foreseeable future. In this way, they save all of their fellow spren, friends, family, loved ones, as well as the humans and the Singers. We know that Honor was going mad and dying. He swore that the Knights would destroy the world. Whether that's true or not, he convinced the Knights and their spren that they were too dangerous to exist. 1. The spren are everywhere. It's nearly impossible to hide things from your own spren, and very difficult to hide things from others' spren. Most of them seem able to change size and some can change shape. Honorspren, at least, seem to be constantly curious, investigating anything interesting going on. Only the Knight they're bonded to can see them by default, so they can snoop around quite easily without being seen. An obviously coordinated effort like we see in Dalinar's vision of the Recreance would be impossible to plan without the spren finding out. 2. The spren can read thoughts. Syl can sometimes read Kaladin's thoughts, and definitely knows it on an instinctual level when he's not following his Oaths. Glys seems able to meld with Renarin, and definitely talks to him in his mind. We know that perception is important for whether a Nahel Bond is being kept or not. That it depends on the perception of the person and the spren. If the spren weren't in agreement that the Recreance needed to happen, then the Radiants who were planning on breaking their Oaths should have been losing their powers. 3. Honorspren are willing to let their Knights break Oaths if it's important enough. (WoB truncated for length). Honorspren are are willing to put the cause ahead of their own well-being. It's the nature of protecting. Kaladin is willing to die to save others, or at least put himself in harm's way. I think that this trait is not unique to honorspren, but to many of the Radiant spren. They're willing to die if it means a greater good--such as not destroying the planet. 4. Some spren don't see death the same way as humans do. Pattern is very nonchalant about dying. He fully expects, even encourages, Shallan to kill him, simply to spare her pain. Syl bounces back from being dead and doesn't really even give Kaladin grief over it. Ico doesn't seem particularly upset over his father being a dead-eye. He even is very understanding about why humans break Oaths. Other spren are downright friendly with humans. Even Wyndle, who is quite a fussy little voidbringer, mentions that they don't exactly die, though he is admittedly nervous about it happening to him. 5. The Radiants didn't lose their powers before the Recreance. As I mentioned in 1 (felt like it bore repeating), in Dalinar's vision of the Recreance, the Windrunners had their powers up to the point where they broke their Oaths. They flew to Feverstone Keep, their Blades and Plate were still glowing. 6. The other spren don't seem to know the reason for the Recreance. Ico thinks the reason for the Recreance was that humans couldn't honor Oaths. Notum just thinks Radiants are dangerous. Niether of them seem to care or mention much about the possibility of surgebinders destroying the planet. I think that the bonded spren at the time deliberately did not tell their friends and relatives what they were going to do, in order to enhance the shock factor, as well as the sense of betrayal by the humans. This would discourage just about all the spren from ever seeking a Radiant again, unless they were desperate. The best way to prevent future bonds was to shock and horrify all the other spren so much that the idea would be unthinkable for millennia. 7. The spren didn't leave or choose to have their Oath broken. Notum mentions there are "other ways" than killing the Knight, at least until the 5th Oath is sworn. Bui;ding on 6, if the spren didn't agree with their Knights, shouldn't some of them have tried to break their bond? It doesn't appear as if any of them did. 8. The skybreakers and highspren didn't break their Oaths. Highspren and Skybreakers hold the Law and Oaths as the highest possible Ideal, so to speak. The highspren would never have agreed to breaking the Oaths, and the Radiants likely wouldn't either, or weren't willing to kill their spren without their consent. They must have agreed to some degree though, because they've never told the other spren why all the other Orders foreswore their Oaths. 9. The spren didn't break their Oaths on their own (controversial). I believe that the spren can break the bond to their humans on their own. That they didn't also implies that they were complicit in the Recreance. This is a point of contention between me and some of the proponents of this theory, though, so I've marked it controversal. So, thoughts, opinions? Oh and thanks to @Calderis . Like Wit mentions, timeliness is important, and Calderis thought of this before me, although I came to it independently I posted this with his blessings.
  2. This theory is about how the spren's intellect is proportional to a spren's power. Definitions Spren- Living Rosharian Investiture (Investiture of Odium, Honor, and Cultivation) Intellect- The ability to live, gain sentience, and keep sentience in the Physical realm, Spren's Cognitive Maximum Potential (I added definitions because when I write Intellect I don't actually mean Intellect, but a Spren's Cognitive Maximum Potential) There are five types of spren: Object Spren: The voices of the spheres in Shadesmar Lesser (Emotion/Condition/Nature) Spren: Like Anticipationspren, Hungerspren, and Windspren. These spren are bascailly the animals of Shadesmar, and behave as such. Radiantspren: These are the spren of radiants. They populate the cities of Shadesmar and is its civilization. Voidspren: Spren of Odium Unique Spren: Spren of immense power, that also have consciousness, and all have unique names: Stormfather, Nightwatcher, and the Sibling. ( In this post I won't be talking about Object Spren because they are the exception to my theory, so this theory only applies to free-roaming spren) Spren's intellect is directly proportional to their power(or manifestations of power.) In the Physical Realm. Lesser Spren have almost no power or manifestations in the physical world at all. They can not even manifest completely in the physical world and only a portion of there body can appear in the physical world. Or they are spren that only appear in the Physical world, but almost never in the cognitive. Life spren can really only detect plant life and float, while windspren, who can bind things together, have enough intellect to recognize and follow certain people for a short time. Radiant spren have the intellect of humans, but when normally crossing into the physical realm without a human partner, they suffer cognitive/mental damage, and also suffer cognitive damage just being in the Physical Realm for an extended amount of time. They can manifest themselves in a small form in the physical world and they can grant the power of surges to humans. Unique non-void spren seem to be able to stay manifested in the Physical Realm without a human partner, and they don't seem to suffer cognitive damage of recent memories, but memories of hundreds to thousands of years ago become foggy. Their manifestations greatly affect the world without a human partner. The greatest example was when the Stormfather caused a Highstorm to appear earlier (I think the void spren behave the same way, except for the Unmade.) Okay I think the Unmade's powers are inversely proportional to the Unmade's intelligent, but all Unmade are very power. (I will add more details when I have more time) Nergaoul- causes the Thrill. He forcibly creates Connections with individuals spanning multiple countries at once causing them to fall and an almost irresistible battle rage. But intellect wise he behaves like a lost puppy. While Ba-Ado-Misram- can provide voidlight and grant forms of power, but only if the Parshendi agree to it. He is most famously know who his intellect and his battle strategies, not his raw power. I think this is the affect of being Unmade, they behave in some cases opposite of normal spren.
  3. I just noticed that Ulim and that yellow white spren Kaladin talked to seem to be smarter in the Physical Realm than both Pattern and Syl were. Why do they not seem stupid or lose memories on Roshar? Ulim even had memories that went far back to the Desolations so he could tell Venli the forms. While the other yellow spren seem smart enough in the Physical Realm to command the newly awakened parshmen armies even without the Fused's help? Are there separate rules for voidspren or are honorspren etc just plan dumb?
  4. So just a quick thought about fabrials. In OB we see Navani create or at least commission a watch for Dalinar. The gauntlet has a watch, a high storm watch and a pain fabrial which will reduce or remove pain from the wearer. Later near the end of the book as Thaylen City comes under attack Navani reflects on the possible creation of a fabrial that will repel exhaustion. It has been implied; possibly confirmed, that fabrials are created by imprisoning a spren in a gemstone and powering it with stormlight. Sounds familar to me... dunt dunt duuuunnnnn The Infinity Gauntlet!! Powered by Soul Gems this is the ultimate BA fabrial. What combination of spren could be trapped to make the ultimate fabrial in the cosmere? Could glory spren combat exhaustion or depression? Is there growth spren for healing? So many possibilities. Last note concerning fabrials and this is actually a topic for a separate thread but what total dicks men are. Not only are we the void bringers but we enslave spren to make appliances!?
  5. Greatshells - such as the Chasm Beasts - pupate as storms approach so that new Spren can enter their gemhearts.
  6. Syl is the only spren (as far as I can recall) to tell Kaladin her name. All the rest — Pattern, Ivory, Wyndle, Spark, etc. — were named by their Radiants. (I don't remember if Glys was a given name or a habituated name, but I think Renarin named him?). So did the Stormfather name her, maybe?
  7. Everro

    Gloryspren

    From the album: Rosharan Nature Journaling

    A cloes-up shot to show the shimmery paint I used.
  8. From the album: The Girl who Looked Up

    Most of my work comes from speedpainting every day (It was my resolution), but I wanted to slow down for this one and give you guys some of my line work. This scene really jumped out at me from how Sanderson described it.
  9. What is honor's perpendicularity?? Does it makes odium vulnerable?
  10. Exactly what it says on the tin. In theory, it seems like any sapient being should be able to hold a shard. In which case, a sapient spren probably qualifies. But if this is true it has some wierd implications.
  11. Just wondering. I mean, Syl is friendly enough (except to Pattern). This could be my imagination, but...she did she meet with Ivory or Glys already? Yeah, but I think would create an interesting dynamic. If a spren were friends with another spren, and they're Radiants didn't like each other. Or best friend Radiants have spren who refuse to talk to each other. Does the Storm father have friends? He seems too...ethereal. (And let's be honest, he's a priss.)
  12. Parshendi Forms: From Eshonai's prologue, after Gavilar explains the fabrial: When Venli first meets Timbre, at Eshonai's body: And then Venli bonds with Timbre: And then when talking with the Fuzed named Rine: So the Nahel bond is more powerful than the Parshendi forms bond from capturing spren inside their gemhearts during highstorms to transform, presumably because the only stormlight needed for the Parshendi bond to work is during the bonding itself but not for any of the surges that come after the bond. When Aesudan and Amaram bonded with the Unmade spren, that seems to be a Parshendi bond since they swallowed gems (spheres) to make the bond, with Amaram's purple gemheart glowing in the end and Aesudan's gemheart glowing through her dress. Thunderclasts From the Thaylen City battle: So the stone has gemhearts that, when inhabited by Voidspren, transform the stone into something else. No wonder Szeth's people aren't stonewalkers, right? Does stone have other forms? Chasmfiends Chasmfiends obviously have gemhearts. I think they must have other forms, too. We know chasmfiends, skyeels, and greatshells all have the same spren. From the Kaza interlude, we know that greatshells do also have gemhearts. Are these three different forms for the same being? Do chasmfiends have other forms? Are they also thunderclasts? From Adolin's fight with the thunderclast: Urithiru And then: So we wake it just as the Fuzed woke Thunderclasts from stone, right? We bond Urithiru with a spren. Or multiple spren. Spren that can be trapped in a heart of emerald and ruby. And from the gem library: Dude, is Urithiru the Sibling?!!!! Sibling to the Nightwatcher and the Stormfather? So the Sibling was stolen away? And from the Stormfather's conversation with Dalinar: Slumbering! Sleeping! Just like Dalinar said Urithiru was! And this is why the Radiant says goodnight to Urithiru, goodnight to the Sibling! So we need to find the slumbering Sibling spren and restore her (or probably "them" because the Stormfather refers to the Sibling in the singular and the plural) to Urithiru's heart to waken Urithiru, right? And what will a wakened Urithiru be like? Will she move? Will she protect? Will she destroy? *************************** Related ideas: Fabrials are similar but not as alive as it would seem Urithiru will be and certainly not as alive as Parshendi, chasmfiends, or great shells. Parshmen may not have had gemhearts until the first Everstorm, which restored their gemhearts and thus enabled them to now have forms, including Voidforms. Different Parshendi forms likely come from different types of spren, with Voidform (forms of power) coming from corrupted or Unmade spren. Dullform might be having a gemheart with no spren bond since dullform is so close to parshmen. Are there secrets to other cities, not just Urithiru? Kabsal draws Kholinar as a triangular shape with three outlying wings and a peaked center (Pg 510 of WoK), which incidentally is the symbol on Gavilar's shardplate (Pg 29 of WoK), saying that the city was built on a rock formation already there. The stone windblades of Kholinar seem particularly significant, where Kaladin says the interior corridor of the windblades reminds him of the strata at Urithiru (Pg 785 of OB). I'm equally interested in the City of Shadows and even the City of Bells, but perhaps these cities are special in different ways.
  13. 1. Syl - cute, reminds me of my neighbors' daughter, Kathy. Confused about her weird Honorspren-windspren persona shift thing, though. 2. Pattern - oh my God, he's adorable his first few months when he appears to Shallan (and Jasnah calls him imbecilic), even better now making awkward for Shallan and Adolin. My favorite bean. 3. Ivory - I really like him for some reason, specially that weird speech pattern he's got going. He's like there posh British man of spren. 4. Glys - he's...shy? Nonexistent? Hates the cold and hides in Renarin's shirt to keep warm, while consequentially keeping himself from view? Honestly don't know anything about him, but I am obliged to love him because he's a spren. 5. Wyndle - dry like wine. 6. Stormfather - let's be honest. He's a priss. P.S. Syl is my favorite. What are your thoughts on the spren?
  14. I just realized this, but after Part 1 of Oathbringer, we never see Yixli again. When Moash (*spit*) is pulling the cart and runs into the Parsh that Kaladin was with, they complain that they got put on pulling duty while Yixli got off scot free, but I don't believe that she's mentioned again after that. It's kind of strange to see, and I'm kind of disappointed that there wasn't more substance in the character or her interactions with other characters (Kaladin, the Parshmen, or Moash), since she basically shows up, walks around accusingly, apparently vouches for Kaladin with the Fused, and then is complained about. That's pretty much it, I was hoping for more interaction there. Knowing Brandon, I doubt that this is the last we'll see of her, but it raises a bunch of other questions. Exactly what kind of spren is she? Did she know that Kaladin was a radiant? If she did, why did she vouch for him with the Fused? When I finished part 1 originally (in the free chapters), I was toying around with the idea of whether a voidspren could switch sides, so is it possible that could be something going on there? We've already seen most of the highspren we've met and at least one ashspren (Spark) switch from Honor to Odium, a corrupted lightspren (Glys) stay with Honor, and possibly seen Sja-Anat switch from Odium to Honor, so maybe there could be some shuffling in the future? Of course, this is all coming from literally 2 on-screen appearances and 1 mention, so I may be overly speculating, but I would be very surprised if Brandon just dropped this thread.
  15. For a bonded, or an unbonded. I'm curious for either. Do you think the bonded understand morality? Do their understandings differ depending on what type of spren? (i.e. Syl is better at understanding right and wrong [and by default, human nature] than Pattern, who often expresses confusion as to the reasons for humans' actions.) Do the unbonded think at all? Or do they think in images? Can they communicate? How does it work in Shadesmar? (If I recall, Jasnah mentions something about the Honorspren being vigilante in Shadesmar. Does this mean that all Honorspren can be bonded, and therefore they have consciousness, even if they are NOT bonded?) UGH. So many questions. Brandon WHY?
  16. From the prologue where Gavilar tells Eshonai of their secret ways of trapping spren and how he wants to help her bring back her gods, giving her a sphere of unusually dark light: So what happened to this sphere Gavilar gave Eshonai? That's the million-dollar question, right? Along with the sphere Gavilar gave to Szeth. I'm wondering if Ulim could be the spren trapped in the sphere. Eshonai does take the sphere. Perhaps she hides it or throws it away (or gives it to the Five), but these paths might eventually lead to Venli. Ulim, a spren the Fuzed (Ancient Ones) call the Envoy, did succeed in convincing and helping Venli to bring back stormform and eventually the Everstorm and the Fuzed.
  17. Now, I know there have been multiple threads with this topic, but I haven't found one that just talks specifically about the spree. So here, now that we have seen ten different kinds of salient spree, I thought it would be nice to try to match them up. I will be listing the Order, Spren (My best guess), the mascot spren, and the underlying principle they personify. Here we go: Windrunners: Honorspren Windspren Honor Lightweavers: Liespren/Cryptics Creationspren The underlying mathematics and numbers of the world Elsecallers: Inkspren Logicspren Knowledge? (If ink represents words) Bondsmiths: Superspren Gloryspren (At least for the Stormfather one) Roshar? (Going by the theory of Growing/Sky/Sea/Earth/etc.) Releasers: Ashspren Firespren? (Someone else's theory I have mixed feelings about) Ruin/Destruction (Makes logical sense) Skybreakers: Highspren Starspren? (It sounds viable) Morals/Ethics/Law/Justice? Stonewards: Stonespren/Foundationspren/Earthspren (Based on Shadesmar description) ? ? Edgedancers: Cultivationspren Lifespren Cultivation Truthwatchers: ???? ? ? Willshapers: Likely Lightspren, but not quite confirmed ? Mystery? (I don't know, I'm reaching here)
  18. My theory is that Odium is really what everyone else has always said he was, the shard of hatred (more or less), but Odium is able to absorb other emotions from people and give them back much like the pain spren in Navani's painrial do. All the emotions that Dalinar saw in the fiery inferno version of Odium, other than hatred, Odium collected from others and were not innate to the shard. Odium claims that he is not just hatred, but Passion. When Dalinar sees Odium's fiery inferno form he senses a lot different emotions, not just hatred. Later Odium tries to talk Dalinar into giving Odium his pain. Towards the end of OB Moash remarks to one of the Fused that he doesn't feel anything and the Fused tells him that Odium has taken his passion and will return it to Moash later. Navani's painrial's have pain spren in them. These spren are able to take the pain away from the wearer. The pain seems to be stored in the painrial because Navani is able reverse the flow of pain when she defends Queen Fen by disabling the would-be assassins in OB chapter 118. The assassins are only in pain temporarily, as if the fabrial only had so much stored up. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Painrial How can Odium do this and other shards haven't done it? It seems to have something to do with him being "The Void" an emptiness that allows him consumes the emotions of others. How does that relate to hatred of others for what they do or inspiring hatred in others? Perhaps there is an innate emptiness in hate, I don't know.
  19. Was posting in another thread and was thinking about severing of Aes Sedai. We know this can be healed. Could a person with Stormlight heal this would if they knew the flows? Could the severing been seen in the spiritual realm? Would it be a loss of Connection to the One Power (Dar/din)? Could you create a medallion that would mimic the Connection to the One Power? Is that the same as a ter'angreal allowing a non channeler to channel?
  20. So just a simple discussion on which characters that are in Roshar and don't have a spren, or Off-Roshar and what order of the knights of radiant would they be in? I'll start you off; Wax: Skybreakers, pretty simple, either that or Windrunners. TLR: I have to say Bondsmith, he does unite all of scadrial, in a way, but how OP would he be if he was a bondsmith AND a lerasium fullborn... Raoden: Edgedancer, if you look at the oaths, it becomes pretty apparent. now it's your turn!
  21. Something that has got me confused is why there are emotion spren. I am under the impression that most of the spren are of honor from the shattering. But honor doesn't really care about emotion... Not shardicaly at least. Odium however.. What do you all think of emotion spren being a damaging blow to odium from honor. Where the spren might be actually corrupted by honor himself rather the other way around. That would also explain how odium is bound to roshar.
  22. Spoilers up to Part 4. I think it's possible that Soulcasting, while it might slowly deteriorate your physical form, slowly changes your cognitive form until you become a Spren. (One to match the type of Soulcasting done) When I read Kaze Interlude, I thought she was just slowly turning into smoke. Of course, she soulcasts matter into smoke, so it seems like a plausible consequence. Chapter 105 talks of an ardent Soulcaster whose "skin beneath was colored like granite, cracked and chipped, and seemed to glow from within." This description matches that of some of the spren walking around in the Spren port in Shadesmar. This made me realize that there was also a Spren to match Kaza's trabsformation in that town. There were smokespren there as well. Anyone have a similar thought or theory about the end cost of Soulcasting?
  23. Before reading Oathbringer my running theory for what spren were was that they were essentially shards of Honor. Shards of a shard if you will; tiny pieces of Adonalsium. However, after reading Oathbringer it seems like Honor was creating spren even when he was alive along with Odium and possibly even Cultivation. I was also wondering why spren don't appear in the cosmere outside of roshar. I'm somewhat confused about this topic and would love to hear what you all think.
  24. Piece I painted for my landscape painting final. It's Kharbranth!! I'm going to post a thread in the forums with it, because I need some recommendations from the rest of y'all on a good subject for the next location I go after. Feel free to weigh in with your comments here as well, though!
  25. What if the Radiants didn't willingly break their oaths? They found out the truth about the voidbringers which was devastating. This truth created a conflict within them thus automatically breaking the oaths and killing the spren. They then give up their shards because they're dead rather than the spren dying because they gave up their blades.
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