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  1. In oathbringer, odium said that I would have to destroy honor's remains as he can already see this going wrong. I am paraphrasing here. What does that mean?
  2. There's a voice In oathbringer that claims venli and saves her from becoming a fused. At first I thought this voice was odium. But after reading Row I'm not so sure. Could it be a void Spren? If so dose that mean tha Venli was a great void Spren in her jem heart? Any thoughts on the voice? Is it odium or spen or something else?
  3. I've noticed in the last 2 stormlight books, we've had 2 very similar conversations at the end of each book. In which 2 characters talk, and me personally reading, was ABSOLUTELY sure it was going to go a certain way, only for the conversation to do a full 180 and leave me emotionally devastated. I of course mean the Ashe-Taln conversation in OB and the Venli-Leshwi conversation in RoW. Between Ashe and Taln, both Ashe and Myself are sure that Taln will be angry, or at least upset with her, instead he tells her what a wonderful gift she's given humanity. And Venli and I were sure that Leshwi would be angry that Venli bonded a spren, instead she breaks down in joy and says they have forgiven us. Two stellar moments that totally shocked me emotionally when I was already losing it with everything else that went on at the end of those awesome books. Anyway I wracked my brains if any of the other books had similar moments but couldn't think of any. Pretty cool we got it twice, here's hoping for a hat trick with SA5
  4. From the album: Stormlight Art

    Don't know what it is about Shallan but I'm constantly doodling her. Ironic

    © Vian Provins

  5. I posted this over a year ago—2 maybe?—and have edited and added a chapter at the end. It is a romantic fanfic for Kaladin, set immediately after Oathbringer, and has no spoilers for RoW. About 39,000 words, just so you are warned. https://www.icloud.com/pages/0GYOFAiDTRyk0xGVbQlkVpeOQ#Elebet
  6. I'm re-reading the Stormlight Archive and I wanted to do something :o
  7. so we know Moash killed El in the middle of saying the first oath, but what about his order? any theories?
  8. Peachyuwu02

    SYL!!

    Kaladin falling into his depression, the darkness, while reaching out to Syl in a panic :)
  9. I'm making my way through my first read-through of stormlight and I am currently about halfway through Oathbringer. I've made an observation that I think is meant to be there. It seems like in most fantasy series it is easy to hate the evil enemy (WoT for example: You despise the forsaken and the Shadowspawn forces because they are ruining the Main characters' lives) but in Stormlight I find myself loathing the Alethi and kind of rooting for the Parshendi. Obviously, the Alethi Culture is messed up and totally inefficient, but after reading a Moash point of View chapter with the normal Parshendi, I feel that they could run a better civilization than the Alethi ever could. Now I know this probably won't work out due to the control of the Fused, but I still like the Parshendi better than the Alethi. It is made clear that the Alethi suck, but I haven't really gotten a sense of hatred for the Parshendi. The only thing they have done is try to prevent desolations, which kinda makes them the protagonist right? So I just wanted to make this post to get input about this and see how others feel.
  10. I am currently on my first read-through of Oathbringer and in chapter 22, The Darkness Within, Adolin brings Shallan along to talk to Ialai about Sadeas' murder, and then Shallan and Mraize go off to talk to each other. I haven't finished this chapter yet because I am completely blanking on when Shallan actually revealed herself as Shallan to Mraize. I have a vague memory of some interaction between them, but I really have no clue when this happened. If someone could just explain this to me or tell me where to look back to, it would really be great.
  11. Is anyone else a little disappointed that the core part of the Third Ideal of the Bondsmiths is 'if I must fall, I will rise again a better man' and not 'I will take responsibility for what I have done'? I totally agree that being better than who you were before is an important way to live. Having trained in karate for years, 'fall down seven times, stand up eight' is ingrained into me (and I can pretty much guarantee that everyone in the world can improve on who they are). But at the same time, it is entirely possible to strive for self improvement without acknowledging publicly what you are trying to be better than. I feel like it can be much harder to admit that you have done wrong than to swear not to do it again. Dalinar could have regained his memories and worked to be a better man than the Blackthorn, but that isn't all he did. He wrote a book detailing everything he had done, for everyone to read and judge. For a real world example, say you make a mistake at work. Management put out a memo saying that this happened and why it was not the correct way to do things, but they are not sure who it is. You could easily say to yourself 'well I dodged a bullet there, I'll make sure not to do that again'. But you can (and arguably should) own up to the fact that you were the one to make the mistake and offer your services to fix it. Ideally, the entirety of Dalinar's Third Ideal would be the baseline, but I was just a little disappointed that it went with the option that is potentially easier. When I think of emulating a Bondsmith, I think of both parts, but my thoughts go first to taking responsibility for my actions.
  12. Hey all, Shard of Theory back with another hopefully awesome theory. I was thinking about Oathbringer, young Dalinar, and the Nightwatcher's(Cultivation's) boon to him, and this theory hit me like Vin hitting Straff at the end of Well of Ascension. The Nightwatcher offered Dalinar Nightblood, which he declined. The first time we see Nightblood in Roshar is in the hands of Nale, the at least partially insane Herald and leader of the Skybreakers. Nale, however, gives Nightblood to Szeth. We've all wondered where Nale got Nightblood - and I think we've all kind of assumed he picked it off a random "criminal's" body. But what if it's actually a boon from the Nightwatcher? I can see a crazy Herald going to a piece of God and asking to be able to destroy evil - isn't that what Nale wants? To end "evil" permanently? It's possible this has already been posted, or is common knowledge to all but me, but I haven't seen it before and so I wanted to share it with y'all. What do you think about Nale getting a boon from the Nightwatcher? Would he, and if so, what would he have asked for(or rather, how would he have worded it)? What do you think his curse is?
  13. Kaladin and Beard have a quick and silly exchange regarding the story Beard told where he swam in the Purelake with Dalinar. Beard admits to lying about it being Dalinar, at Kaladin's insistence. Beard finishes by saying it was actually the Azish emperor. All I'm saying is, Beard knows that Gawx became the emperor, and may know more than he lets on. I apologize if this has been mentioned before, but I could not find anything on a basic search. Let me know what you think!
  14. I bet this has been brought up before, but I'm clearly new so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Starting my first reread of the full series on my 1-year anniversary of reading WOK (note: because of poor memory some of this might be wrong), and only a couple chapters in I've noticed that Shallan used to be much more religious. However, with the whole business of Dalinar, "Honor is dead," the Stormfather, etc, Vorinism took a big hit. Do we ever see Shallan reflect on this? Does she even consider herself religious anymore, or has it been overshadowed by her identity crises? Basically, I feel like maybe that's an aspect of her character that has been written out/ignored in favor of more plot-relevant things. I would like to see more of the impact that the changing world has had on religious people in Roshar in general... Though I like the large-scale plots of the later two books, it feels like we're missing out on details that made Roshar feel more real. (If this has been mentioned, then disregard this post lol)
  15. From the album: The Stormlight Archive

    A piece I did for this year's Cosmere Inktober! Depicting Wit as he tells the Tale of Mishim - my favorite story by him! Drawing Hoid / Wit is always a bit of a challenge but I think (I hope?) that with each new drawing of him I'm getting a bit closer to how I perceive him in the books. This was lots of fun and I'd like to try a proper depiction of this scene sometime in 2021 as this sequence is especially dear to me.
  16. I was rereading an interesting passage from OB, and I noticed a very weird comment by Notum that I’m not sure has been mentioned before here (if it has I’m sorry about that, I’m on my phone right now and just wanted to get this out there before I forgot). In Chapter 108, Kaladin is arguing with Notum, trying to get Syl out of the cell. This struck me as odd, as wouldn’t Syl become a deadeye if this happened? Being a deadeye would probably be a worse state to be in than a Nahel Bond, and Notum knows this, so I see two possible explanations for this: 1) As we learned in the spoiler-filled Stormlight YouTube QnA, since Kaladin wouldn’t be breaking Oaths, Syl might not become a deadeye, and thus she could recover from this. This is the less fun option, but it does raise an interesting question about how BAM was Connected, since somehow only breaking oaths would create a deadeye. 2) There is something incredibly special about this bond in particular. I think the Son of Tanavast and Ancient Daughter theories play a part here, as somehow Kaladin is able to retain his Connection with Syl even though he broke his bonds (“I was only as dead as your Oaths” is a possible nod to this), is able to use “Honor’s Truest Surge” while no other Radiant is active, and more. I think this gives more credence to Kaladin picking up Honor, but that’s all I got. What’s everyone’s thoughts on this?
  17. Hey! I collected all of Hoid's stories in a document! This is for your theorizing pleasure, and for potential memorization! Hoid's Stories I was interested in reading all of them, so I collected them, and couldn't think of a better place to share them than here!. I included the Wandersail (Way of Kings Chapter 57), Fleet (Words of Radiance Chapter 59), The Girl Who Looked Up (Combined both Shallan's Version and Hoid's, Oathbringer Chapters 25 and 82), Mishim and Tsa (Oathbringer Chapter 67), The Dragon and the Dog (Rhythm of War Chapter 80), The Origin of the God Kings (Warbreaker Chapter 32) Hoid’s Stories.pdf Hoid’s Stories.txt
  18. Well, this is the first time I submit a topic and I've also been here for a very brief period of time, so I'm not really sure if this is something that has been discussed before, but I've always wondered why (when watching podcasts or videos about the Stormlight Archive) nobody seems to coment on something that I find quite obvious. This would be a spoiler for Oathbringer, but I'll be marking it just in case. I'm posting this mainly to know if this is considered as "obvious" as the fandom as it is to me, because as I said, I've never seen it being at least mentioned.It'd have interesting implications for the future development of other characters of the series, so I think it would be nice considering it.
  19. I was on my way through Oathbringer again in preparation for Rhythm of War, and I thought to myself: "Dalinar's conquests would make an excellent Heroes map." In fact, whenever I hear an excellent story about war, I often have a similar thought. But anyway, this time I acted on it and started making the map. It's coming along super well, and I would like to share it with my fellow Sanderfans when it is finished. I've only spent a few hours on it so far, but I'm very proud of what's been done. I will upload it here when I complete it, and maybe some of you might want to test it and give me feedback. I will test it once or twice myself before uploading it. Also, if any of you have advice on compressing and uploading map files, I would appreciate that.
  20. HI EVERYONE! So a while back I heard Megalovania for the first time and it...utterly destroyed me. So I had to write a Sanderson parody of it, of course. Oathbringer ending spoilers, alternating Odium and Venli POVs. I will probably try to record this later and edit that in, though my voice is trash lol. I really hope you enjoy it, and all feedback is treasured! Odium: Glowing with Light Eager, ready cause they think it's their fight Highprince's army, darkeyes and light All those Radiants, shiny and bright Silly young Rosharans There's Dalinar, not Thrilled to be here (), flaming like a star I appear and victory's not far This is gonna be the deciding spar You're my champion Venli: Humans, you won't win today All his Rhythms punctuate your death Don't you try to make a storm now, just relent The wrong sister lives today - I just don't know what I'm doing here Murderous cries and Light-killing smiles acquaint me with your goals Odium: Sparking through the Everstorm and into the sky The Fused and singers, my whole army, come to take what's mine A son of Honor dares to look me in the eye? Your words are accepted but it's too late I'm here to lay a claim to all your agony and hate Come a little closer ~ I promise you won't regret it What was that you said? You invite pain into your head? (Venli:) Oh, your Passions are strong But my enemy, you are wrong What is this new song?! What is this new song?! My people, massacred, no reason why Any why you tell yourselves is a lie Gemstones start to mean nothing when it's only one day squeezed out of a lifetime I sing, I hum, I scream, I cry I watch as families fall beside me These powers mean nothing when I'm just bluffing Three Realms combine and then I say the Words, now I have the key My lightspren hides deep inside of me Ambition is vicious, yet it vanishes and I'm left kneeling here I've sworn the Oaths, but do they mean anything Voidspren swirl around the Shardic king My sister died so I could be here tonight Can I do better? Glowing with Light, I only want to end this whole fight All those singers, skin patterns bright Keep my hope desperately in sight I'll cross any border I'll disobey any order to free who i can
  21. I know I’m not alone in struggling to see Skybreakers as not sorta evil, particularly in comparison to Windrunners. Like it seems to come down to Honor vs. the Law, which seems pretty biased. Especially when the easiest comparison is best boy Kaladin vs. dumpster fire Szeth. After some thought here’s my outline for how Skybreakers are actually kinda valid. Skybreakers are their core are about consistency and fairness. It's not so much the law, as a willingness to follow a personal code, that Nale is most interested in (WOB). So it’s not really about following the law. It’s about following a code. It’s not supposed to be about abdicating moral decision making. It’s supposed to be about putting fairness over your own opinion. By swearing themselves to a code, Skybreakers are trying to transcend their own biases. This doesn’t mean Skybreakers can’t be flexible. See Szeth choosing to punish the Warden over prisoners (OB). In fact, the pattern of Skybreaker ideals is about developing and understanding your own set of ethics. Kant would probably be a great Skybreaker. 2nd Ideal: “I swear to seek justice, to let it guide me until I find a more perfect Ideal.” and “I will put the law before all else” It's about making a commitment to justice, a promise to follow a higher authority than your own biases. Notably, unlike the next, this ideal gives the flexibility to try out different codes and rules of ethics. A 2nd level Skybreaker is working to eliminating biases and exploring different ethical frameworks. 3rd Oath of Dedication Here the Skybreaker makes a commitment to a specific external code/authority. It could be a person (Dalinar) or it could be "the law of the land" or anything. The Skybreaker has explored what exists and chosen a code they think is most just. 4th Ideal of Crusade I think this is supposed to function as a test of the code they’ve chosen to follow, like a practical version of thought experiments like the Trolley problem. The Radiant has to see how the code they’ve chosen applies to a real-world situation they have a deep personal investment in. It’s both a test of the Skybreaker (how well can you ignore your own bias to apply a code) and also a test of the law they’ve chosen to follow (does it actually work in the real world). 5th Ideal of Law The Skybreaker has gained such an in-depth understanding of ethics and proven ability to ignore bias that they grow beyond the need for an external guide and ‘become the law’. This is were they synthesize everything learned through the other ideals and formulate their own set of ethics. Side Note: An example of a case where a Skybreaker might make a “better” (at least to my view) decision than a Windrunner would be Kaladin’s WOR dilemma. Both a Skybreakers and Windrunner would have a similar problem: help my friend get justice vs. support the assassination of someone I’m guarding. The Windrunner (Kaladin) is supposed to protect people, and people therefore either fall into the ‘protect’ or ‘protect from’ category. Elhokar ends up getting slotted into the ‘protect’ category and Moash into ‘protect from’. He saves someone’s life temporarily but ultimately does nothing to help the underlying issue. Elhokar never has to confront what he did to Moash and Moash still wants blood. A Skybreakers is supposed to find justice. Elhokar doesn’t deserve to die for negligence and being a bad leader but Moash was truly wronged and has valid complaints. To be just would balance that Elhokar both deserves to live but also to be punished. A good (not modern) Skybreaker could better equipped to take in the grey areas of issues. In short, Skybreakers play the role of the legal system while Windrunners are more like first responders. The Windrunner keeps people from being murdered but a Skybreaker's role is to figure out how it got to the point of murder in the first place.
  22. (I hope I raged the spoilers right ) So I had a thought. Shallan three distinct personas kind of line up really well with Freudian psychoanalysis. In psychoanalysis there are three distinct levels of consciousness. The Id (the unconscious desires and motivations), the super ego (the higher moral self) and the ego (an intermediary between the two). Veil is the Id. She has all of the aggression and sexuality that Shallan try’s to repress. All of her underlying desires. (A great example of this is her attraction to Kaladin) Radiant is the Super ego. She embodies the higher ideals that Shallan feels society expects from her. She is the higher lawful self. and Shallan is the ego. An intermediary between the two that comes up with comprises to both. Does anybody know if this was intentional on Brandon’s part? It fits really well to me and is pretty interesting. Freud also developed the ideas of repressed childhood trauma which Shallan has a lot of.
  23. Hi Everyone, I am continuing my first reread of Oathbringer and trying to ask any questions I still can't find answers for, here on this subreddit. This is the last part (Part #5) Four previous posts gave me some much insight, so I am encouraged to keep posting similar topics The links to the previous question posts are below: Ch 83 to Epilogue: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92532-oathbringer-questions-from-chapters-83-to-the-epilogue-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1099577 Prologue to Ch 18: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92700-oathbringer-questions-upon-first-reread-prologue-to-chapter-18-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1102910 Ch 19 to Interlude 3: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92745-questions-upon-first-reread-chapter-19-to-interlude-3-end-of-part-1-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1104220 Ch 33 to Ch 48: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92908-oathbringer-spoilers-questions-upon-first-reread-chapter-33-to-chapter-48-30-questions/#comment-1113038 Questions for this part: 1- When Moash is being led by the Fused to the camp with the other parshmen, the Fused treat some parshmen very badly. When Moash asks for the reason, he is told this is because they worshipped a "false god". Who do they mean? 2- During Dalinar's first meeting with Odium in the vision, Odium asks him to release him from his bond? / oath?. Why is dalianr theoretically able to release Odium? 3- Why couldn't Odium see Lift in Dalinar's vision? 4- Did Taravangian end up sending Malata's spren to spy on Dalinar as he proclaimed he would? 5- In one of the gems in the Urithiru library, it says: "As a Stoneward, I spent my entire life looking to sacrifice myself. I secretly worry that is the cowardly way. The easy way out". Do we know who is this Stoneward? 6- If Aesudan was taken over by the Unmade, why did she want to execute the parshmen? What is the timeline on her decisions vs. her being taken over by the unmade? 7- Why weren't all spren corrupted in Kholinar? Shallan sees some regular glory spren there that weren't corrupted 8- How does Hoid conjure images without Lightweaving? 9- Who is the group that Hoid mentions to Shallan he used to know and that reminded him of the Cult of Moments? 10- Azure tells Kaladin that she already met Hoid once before he brought them the aluminum sheets to shield their soulcasting chamber. Was it in Warbreaker? If so, what are the details? 11- Why does Azure's shardblade turn the skin of the killed ashen-grey without burning their eyes? 12- When Adolin saves the guards trapped behind the door in the castle in Kholinar, they tell him they have only been captive for a few days because they ate only a couple times, while Adolin says they have been there for weeks. How did they survive without enough food? 13- During the battle of Kholinar, Adolin hears a voice in his head telling him "Sweet Passion". Is that the same voice that Shallan heard while she was on the platform with the Cult of Moments near the oathgate? Was that an unmade? Which one if so? 14- Kaladin was able to kill a voidspren with Syl during the Kholinar battle. Is this something usually possible - for a spren to be killed with a Knight's Radiant shardblade? 15- Aesudan mentions to Elhokar that Gavilar was able to find one of the ancient spren but couldn't bind it. Do we know more details about this? 16- How is Shallan able to repel the black heart from the oathgate in Kholinar? 17- Why is Sja-Anat more friendly than other Unmade towards humans? 18- Sja-Anat tells Shallan that she touched the spren of the oathgate. What did that entail? Were Shallan, Kaladin, Adolin and Azure supposed to be transferred to Shadesmar? What was the deal with this plan by Sja-Anat? / Odium? / the Fused??
  24. Just finished my reread of Oathbringer in prep for RoW, and I think it's the best book in the series. I'll admit there's a possibility of recency bias but I thought a lot about it and I feel confident in, well, how I feel about this book. What do you think?
  25. Hi Everyone, I am continuing my first reread of Oathbringer and trying to ask any questions I still can't find answers for, here on this subreddit. Three previous posts gave me some much insight, so I am encouraged to keep posting similar topics The links to the previous question posts are below: Ch 83 to Epilogue: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92532-oathbringer-questions-from-chapters-83-to-the-epilogue-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1099577 Prologue to Ch 18: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92700-oathbringer-questions-upon-first-reread-prologue-to-chapter-18-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1102910 Ch 19 to Interlude 3: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92745-questions-upon-first-reread-chapter-19-to-interlude-3-end-of-part-1-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1104220 Questions for this part: 1- Evi tells Dalinar that The One can be seen in the Valley of the Old Magic. Does she believe that the Nightwatcher is part of The One? 2- Why can't Rock see Glys? 3- Did Skar help Rock draw Stormlight? - because after he helps Lyn, he mentions this fact 4- Did anyone from Bridge Four bond with the leader of the Honor spren that Rock and Syl saw on the shattered plains while Bridge Four was training? 5- What were the Rock Formations that Navani saw while she was with Dalinar in his vision and she described as being like liquid frozen mid-motion? 6- What was the main reason the humans and the listeners fought during the desolations? 7- Why did some humans take the listeners' side in these desolations? 8- The Stormfather mentions to Dalinar that the blade retrieved from Taln in Kholinar is not his original honor blade. Do we know what happened to that blade? 9- Do we know when did Honor die exactly? Was it during the last desolation or after it? 10- Why couldn't the Stormfather see into Kholinar after the Fused conquered it? 11- Jasnah mentions to Shallan that a full radiant has armor as well as a blade. Has any radiant we know acquired a plate through the method of soeaking advanced levels of oaths? 12- Jasnah wonders how was Shallan able to find Re-Shephir in Urithiru while none of the soldiers in the tower could. Do we know the reason for this? 13- Pattern tells Shallan that the meeting room in Urithiru has memories in Shadesmar. Jasnah asks her to press him for more info. Do we know anything additional? 14- In the letter that the Ghostbloods left for Veil in her coat, they tell her that Nale either destoryed prospective knights radiant or recruited them to become Skybreakers, because Nale believes that people speaking the oaths of any of the other 9 orders hastens the coming of the desolations. Can Nale recruit a prospective Windrunner or Lightweaver for example into the Skybreakers order or is every prospective Knight locked in the order where he / she might fit in? 15- Did Helaran know about his mother's relation with a Skybreaker acolyte? Do we know who was her lover? 16- Who was the member of Amaram's army that bonded a spren and then was eliminated as per the Ghostbloods' letter to Veil? 17- Is the woman that Teft sees reflected in the water of the well, his future spren? 18- Why does Teft say that he was mistaken about his family, and that they weren't heretics? 19- Why does the Stormfather tell Dalinar that what happened between Lift and the Nightwatcher was "unnatural"? 20- Why did the Diagram want to kill Elhokar, and by doing that, giving the throne to Dalinar, while at the same time trying to murder Dalinar as well? 21- Do we know the status of these 3 shardblades in the Fused's possession: blades of Eshonai, Graves and Moash? 22- How did Renarin know that all the fabrials in Urithiru are just one big fabrial? 23- Why didn't the Fused lash Moash up in the sky while transporting him instead of carrying him? 24- Why doesn't Moash have slave brands like other Bridge Four members? 25- Is Teft light-eyed? - because it is mentioned he has dark green eyes 26- Kaladin was wondering why were the Fused attacking trading caravans? Do we have an answer for that? 27- In Taln's ramblings that Jasnah was reading about, he says that in the last desolation, the humans have discovered something unexpected. Any clue what that might be? 28- Why does Ivory tell Jasnah that if they want to find Taln, they should look in Shadesmar? 29- Jasnah mentions her childhood illness which apparently no one other than her remembers in addition to a single event in her life where she didn't use her brain. We probably will have to wait for book 10 to get this story but do we have any additional details or WoB I might have missed on this subject? 30- Which order is Ivory talking about when he tells Jasnah that only one of the orders survived through Death? Is it the Dustbringers or the Skybreakers? And what does that have to do with Death?
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