Kier

You need to reread Hero of Ages my friend. Hero of Ages Page 723: "Spook knelt beside them, listening to Ham and Breeze cry out. They examined teh bodies, checking for vital signs, but Spook focused on something else, almost hidden in the grass. He picked it up - a large leather tome." Sazed rote the history of the world. Read the end of Secret History again.: "A dream? he considered, then -- perhaps against his better judgement -- jabbed the rhing through his ear." -- Spook at the end of Secret History, the spike being made from an old inquisitor spike, and Kelsier apears when this happens and tells Spook basically "good job for listening to me, now we can really get to work on getting me back to the physical realm." Yes, although I feel like I read somewhere that Sazed... maybe its in Allow of Law... tried to reduce or limit knowledge of hemalurgy after the remaking.... or at the very least tried to warn Spook from playing with it... Which Spook promply ignored, and from the evidence he ignored it largely on the prompting and councel of Kelsier. I wouldn't say Evil either. Chaotic Netural if we wanna go down that path - 100%. He has his goals, and for the most part I don't think Kelsier would set goals that intentionally harm innocient people. However his view of innocient is I'd say is quite broad.. Ie - He doesn't think a guard trying to work for his family in the Final Empire is innocient becuase he works for a noble.

So, Kelsier, who I would guess probably KNOWS that Sazed left everything and anything out about Hemalurgy in his book to Spook... speaks to him over and over and gets him to spike himself for the SOLE purpose of finding a way to make a new thread for Kelsier to tie himself to the Physical Realm - going against what one of his best, long lasting, most loayl friends says, and after watching his most hated rival The Lord Ruler, and Vin, and Elend all pass to the Beyond... instead of following him like he knows he could, he pushes Spook to spike himself and paves the way for Hemalurgy to rise again on the renewed planet just so that Kelsier can have the satisfaction of retying his soul to the Physical Realm and learning about the cosmere. That sounds pretty unethical to me... and Sounds exactly like a starting point for a group like the Ghost Bloods. His goals are basically get as much knowledge and power about the Cosmere as possible and find a way to get me back inot the Physical Realm. I'm sorry if I burst your bubble but Kelsier isn't, and wasn't a good guy. yeah he liked his crew to trust eachother and to not work against one another ever. Oh... wait thats one of the core tenants of a Ghost Blood once you are in. Yeah Kelsier while in MB1 wouldn't have done things the way Marize does when recuriting Shallan. however, Kelsier is on another planet and probably dones't have as much oversight as he did when he runs things himself... and it has been 300 years since he became a CS. He probabaly changed... and I'd guess not for the best

I havent read all the posts in this thread, but wanted to put in my 2 cents. Ive seen alot of talk around "the GBs can't be led by Kelsier because they are ruthless, killing random cabbies??" And the like. Did you guys read a different Kelsier than me? Sure, Kel was MOSTLY a good guy and wanted a good outcome... but he was 100% the ends justify the means, and he was 100% your for me or agaisnt me. Your a skaa working for a noble? Have a coin through your skull, or a glass knife through the heart. You are in the way of my ambition. He was hardly moral, and I for one can 100% see him killing randos on other planets that are in the way of his goals.

The only thing that I have found is that When you summon a shard blade you actually are reviving the Dead shard blade a bit. Giving it a kind of mini life from its entrapment. So I would say that it is not painful nor torture to summon them.

Are you kidding me? This exchange proves you are wrong. "IT'S US." Aka its not me. its not the bond. its because of who you are AND the bond. Syl "Nonsense. You Practice Every Day." "The Advantage of Talent." If she was saying that it was her and the bond it would read like this. Syl: "It's the Bond." Kal: "It's cheating. Unearned." Syl: "Its not unearned, you made the bond, that is where it comes from." Kal: "I have an advantage." Syl: "The advantage of a bond."

Where are you getting this? Kal questions Syl if that is the case. but it is never confirmed. In fact It is stated by Teft and Syl that Stormlight can't turn a man into something he is not. AND it is very very clear that after Tien died that Kal nearly killed himself training. He is amazing with a spear - without the bond, and with it a paragon. And to say anything else is blatently ignoring the text.

Do you tell someone your dating up front everything about you. Yeah I used to Smoke 6 joints a day and have a pre-disposition to Alcoholism. I don't think so. Honesty isn't something that you start off a relationship with. Not that you lie. but they aren't telling each other lies - they are avoiding truths (a lie of omission) but that is not the same as a upfront lie and that isn't saying they can't be honest later. You saying this proves they will never work is like saying someone on a first date who doesn't really like bowling but the date takes them bowling, and that person doesn't say "I don't like Bowling" means that that person is dishonest and will never be honest and the relationship will never work.

So, I'm sitting at work listening to The Way of Kings for like the 7th or 8th time. and the thought popped into my head... are Herolds on Roshar are as Returned to Nathlis? Anyone know if that is the case? (Sorry for spelling and stuff... I am just at work, and dont have a copy of Words of Radiance with me.

If healing from a gold metal mind works to heal a person to what they view themselves as, maybe it could be a "perk" of gold that allows him to imitate so well. In Wor Kalidin can't heal his slave brand because of his cognitive view of himself. Maybe when Wayne slips into a roll fully he "heals" himself into thay person physically on some level. This could also explain his obsession with HIS hat. He doesn't quite feel himself without it because quite literally he isnt. Just throwing it out there. Edit: oh, WoB basically say no to this, those weren't posted while I typed. Haha. Oh well.

I don't have much to add. I listened to the book on audio and it is much harder to pick up clues, at least for me, that way. I knew the body that bleeder had taken was going to be lessie's.... but I was still blown away when she WAS lessie. (Sorry if I got her name wrong, don't have either nook in front of me at this moment.)

WoB says that it would require the one who originally made the oath to create the shardblade to revive the shardbalde... this plus 2000+ years at the least.... yeah I don't think you are finding Adolins original shardblade creator... that and if you did I don't think after re-swearing his oaths to revive is spren fully the then renewed Knights Radiant would give his blade and bond over to Adolin (I don't even think that is possible)

Lightweaving is simply the act of using Illumination to change light into a pattern and create images. Truthwatchers use it to see the future somehow, Lightweavers use it to trick people and make illusions. Lightweavers are more adept at using illumination in the present, and do so. Truthwaters use it probably in conjunction with progression to see the future. thats how I see it. Also, A skybreaker using the lashings to fly with the winds, like Kaladin is windrunning. just like a windrunner.

I would say Ren is able to lightweave, just like a skybreaker will be able to do the 1 of the 3 lashings of a windrunner. The one that deals with gravitation, maybe the one that pulls stuff as well, giving an object its own gravitational pull, but part of me feels like that's partially a combination of both those because somewhere atmospheric pressure is also described as "vacuum" so... yeah. Now, the Cryptics maybe just following Elhokar to make plans is interesting. I still don't think they would be scared off by just Syl though, maybe they needed him to be scared though to pressure Dalinar? Causing him to further his bond? Now I'm just grasping at straws...

I don't think she will awaken the spren in her shardblade. I'm pretty sure we wont see ANY of those be awoken. I also don't think the Comet like spren is a highspren. I do think its the type of spren a willshaper bonds. I think Eshonai will have the Stormspren knocked from her because of the fall, then will waken and re-start her bond with the comet spren and become a Willshaper and that will make her immune to the forced everstorm change.

Mmmm. Well thats troubling... Doesn't disprove anything, as you said, but we really don't have ANYONE that I can think of that is near as good of a candidate for being a Lightweaver as Elhokar...Hence why up until I read that I did think he was going to be one. Something still is off for me though, I Can't see the Cryptics being "frightened off" by one Honor Spren if they are looking to bond him. Maybe its someone else, or maybe Elhokar did something to push the Cryptics away from him? However, Elhokar at the end of WoR is making self-exploration attempts, which from Shallans story is how your solidify the bond within the Lightweavers... mmmm.