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  1. Cool. Oathbringer spoiler: I wonder how these aspects/avatars differ from regular Splinters, and whether Autonomy's avatars only seem special because there are way more of them.
  2. I was thinking of his solution to Alcatraz 6 (collaborate with Jansi Patterson on it to help with Bastille's voice), and I started wondering if he could use this co-author strategy to take some of the load off his other non-cosmere works. Like, we already know from the release party that he's asking Dan Wells for help on Apocalypse Guard. If Dan (or someone else) would somehow agree to co-author Apocalypse Guard, and maybe finish off the series himself (using Brandon's outlines), then Brandon would suddenly have one less series to worry about. He could do the same thing for the Aztlanian. Since he wants to write it with Latin American sensibilities in mind, he could collaborate with a Latin American fantasy author to work on the dialogue of Aztek Federation characters and anything else that might concern Latin American readers. Of course, all this assumes that Brandon will find authors willing to collaborate on his works and who would be faithful to his vision (we don't even know if Patterson has already agreed on doing The Worldspire), but I really hope he'd be willing to try to do more of this for the sake of his Cosmere fans.
  3. I'm about to go on a three week family vacation! First we'll visit my brother in Auckland, New Zealand for a couple of weeks, then we'll all fly to Sydney, Australia to celebrate my father's birthday. I am particularly excited to experience a December summer for the first time. Surely it won't be as hot/humid as a typical Manila day, right? And while I loved our December trip to Tokyo last year, I almost couldn't tolerate the cold winter wind, so I'm looking forward to a much more comfortable vacation this time around. Any Kiwi/Aussie Sharders out there who'd like to meet up? Or otherwise, any tips you'd like to share? Feel free to PM me!
  4. Fixed, @Joe ST @yurisses Done, and I added a few more paragraph breaks to make it even more readable.
  5. Fixed. And also the second one, @yurisses.
  6. Those are interesting thoughts! Unfortunately, we do have a source regarding the idea that the Cognitive Realm is between the other two Realms, and it's from a Shard. Here is Preservation (in Chapter 1 of M:SH) talking about the Cognitive Realm: Although Leras wasn't omniscient, and was severely handicapped by this point, I think his analogy must have some truth in it given that he can still see all three Realms.
  7. I have to confess something: I have major problems with Oathbringer, especially the last couple of chapters ("Ideals" and "Debt Repaid"). Now, don't get me wrong; as a Sharder who loves getting as much info about the cosmere as possible, I am very thankful that Brandon tried to pack in so much in such a short space. But as a reader... it was all a bit exhausting, to be honest. With all the action going on post-climax, it almost felt like I was reading the start of another story instead of an ending. Despite liking most of the ending scenes over all, by the last dozen pages a sort of fatigue started setting in. In a way, I understand why Brandon did this. The scene where Dalinar was writing his memoirs is one of the must-haves of the book, which is named after said memoirs. Of course it has to be there. The trouble is that Dalinar would not have had time to work on "Oathbringer, My Glory and My Shame" until more pressing concerns were handled, namely, Taravangian's betrayal, the vacant throne of Alethkar, and his son's marriage. And so Brandon chose to write scenes dealing with those three things first, along with a bunch of other stuff that happened in between. Only then could he end the book with Dalinar writing his memoirs. The thing is, in my opinion this is one instance where the show, don't tell rule of writing could have been and should have been ignored. Every writing rule has exceptions, and I truly believe a "tell" way of resolving some of the loose threads would have allowed Brandon to write a single, more effective ending chapter instead of the two chapters that we had. In addition, I believe some of the scenes would have been better off being moved to a separate novella published after Oathbringer. Let me list down all the scenes in the last two chapters, and how I personally would have suggested changing some of them if I were Brandon's editor: Moash is given an assignment - Keep. Dalinar asks Navani to teach him how to read - Keep. Shallan realizes that Adolin knows the real her - Keep. Venli ponders on her fate - Keep. Szeth swears the Third Ideal of the Skybreakers - Keep. Shallan and Adolin confess their love for each other - Move to novella. Kaladin ponders on stuff and talks to Teft - Keep. Taravangian confesses to Dalinar - Move to novella. Moash kills Jezrien - Keep. But end the scene with the Fused giving Moash Jezrien's Honorblade and renaming him as Vyre immediately after Jezrien dies, so that we can skip the last Moash scene. Lopen swears the Second Ideal of the Windrunners - Keep. But end it before Lopen talks to Kaladin. And switch with the Ash scene below. Ash feels her father's death - Keep. But switch with Lopen scene above. Kaladin finds Drehy, Skar, and Gavinor - Drop. Instead, replace Teft's final interlude (I-14, which I felt wasn't really needed and didn't even feel like a good interlude) with an interlude from Drehy's POV showing how they managed to send a spanreed message, and perhaps giving details on how they survived the Kholinar disaster. This is the only change I would suggest outside of the last two chapters. Taravangian faces Odium. Move to novella. Adolin confesses to the murder of Sadeas and refuses kingship - Move to novella. Palona reads gossip and Jasnah appears as queen - Drop. Instead, write a scene from the POV of Jochi of Thaylenah, where we get another spanreed conference between him, Ethid, and Jasnah takes place. Jochi talks about how the common Thaylen folk are coping after half their city was destroyed, while Jasnah reports about Elhokar's death and the rescue of Gavinor, the confessions of Taravangian and Adolin, Shallan and Adolin's marriage, and finally (*gasp*) her coronation as queen of Alethkar! Moash receives the Honorblade - Drop. See scene 9 above. Shallan and her brothers reunite, and she receives a new Ghostblood assignment - Move to novella. Dalinar writes Oathbringer - Keep. As you can see, if I had my way there would have been only 11 scenes (10 pre-existing + 1 new scene) in Oathbringer's ending instead of 18, and I think all of that would have fitted a single chapter. The spanreed conversation of the hypothetical Jochi scene is what I meant by breaking the "show, don't tell" rule for the sake of a shorter, better ending over all. I think it would have worked because, after all, we already had a chapter with the three Veristitalians conversing via spanreed earlier in the novel, and I believe Brandon could have pulled off another one. Also, the actual Scene 15 felt lacking to me because we never got to know Jasnah's thoughts about being queen. My alternative scene would have allowed her to express herself a bit. *** In my alternative timeline, Oathbringer wouldn't have had Shallan and Adolin's passionate kiss except through Kaladin's POV. It also wouldn't have had Taravangian's encounter with Odium. But that's where the novella comes in. In my little fantasy I imagine the hypothetical novella to have two parts: The first part, called "Hate", has Taravangian's POV of his treacherous acts during the battle of Thaylen City. Then comes his confession to Dalinar (Scene 8) and the Odium encounter (Scene 13), each expanded into their own chapters. The second part, called "Love", has all the Shallan scenes after Scene 3 expanded into their own chapters. After Scene 14, there is a chapter showing Jasnah's coronation. More importantly, after Scene 17 we actually get to see the marriage ceremony of Shallan and Adolin, which is kind of a big deal if you ask me. I don't know what Brandon would have called this hypothetical novella, but I'm thinking that "Passions that Bind" is a nice title. *** Okay, I'm starting to wonder if maybe my imagination has gone wilder than usual this time. I guess I just felt that Oathbringer could have been a much more awesome book if the ending was handled a bit better. Brandon's writing has improved a lot in some ways, but sadly this is my least-favorite ending in a Sanderson book so far. But the rest of the book was simply awesome. That is something I agree with almost everyone.
  8. He actually talks about how he got his cooking experience in the chapter I got those quotes above: So it seems he enjoyed cooking even when he was fourth son working as a nuatoma guard.
  9. It think it is very likely that Rock is now nuatoma of his Peak. Check out this exchange between him and his wife shortly after they reunited (Chapter 37): What was Tuaka trying to say? And when did Rock lie to the others? Well, I'm thinking he lied just a few pages ago in the same chapter: I bet Tifi and Sinaku'a were his brothers, and they are obviously not "well". The third brother, Kef'ha, was the nuatoma that challenged Sadeas and was murdered for it. Tifi and Sinaku'a tried to avenge their brother and met the same fate. So now Rock/Lunamor/Numuhukumakiaki'aialunamor is the nuatoma. Tuaka realized this, but Lunamor doesn't want to accept that responsibility yet and so he insists on being a chef. I think eventually this is something he'll need to deal with in order to gain an honorspren bond, or (if he does gain a bond) at least to progress in his Oaths (i.e. to gain a Shardblade, and thus become king of the Unkalaki).
  10. Ah, in that case thank you! And sorry. I should have worded that differently.
  11. Indeed. Read the rest of the post you quoted.
  12. Alright, I won't tag Zen here, but the question of Shallan casually drawing the Ghostblood symbol in her sketchbook is quite valid. I really don't think Shallan would do that on purpose. But then, Shallan isn't just "Shallan". If you notice the roughly-drawn figure on top of the symbol, I'm quite positive that this exact sketchbook page was actually mentioned in Chapter 99 ("Reachers"): Of course Kaladin, being blissfully unaware of the Ghostbloods, probably ignored the little triangular thing there that looked like a doodle. But notice Shallan's excuse for the juvenile drawing. Why would she "try out a different style" on top of her own beautiful drawings of gloryspren? It looks more like someone just carelessly scribbled over the page. My bet is that the "Veil" personality briefly took over at some point during their travel in Shadesmar and decided to troll "Shallan" by vandalizing one of her sketchbook pages. Notice the playful "Drawing is easy!" comment written next to the scribble. And to cap it all off, she put the Ghostblood symbol there as a sort of signature, to make it perfectly clear that "Veil was here."
  13. It's okay. I enjoy making fantasy theories that feel awesome to me, even if they end up being wrong. It's nice to escape from the unforgiving real world that we live in where a wrong conclusion could actually harm people. Here, I get to enjoy both my fantasies as well as Brandon's. (Oh, and congrats!)
  14. First of all, thanks to the guys on Discord (particularly @Pagerunner and @Windrunner) for pointing out that a small Ghostblood symbol can be seen among Shallan's sketches of Shadesmar spren. You can check it out in the illustration right before Chapter 108. As someone who tried and failed to guess the nature of the symbol twice (here and here), allow me to post a somewhat cleaner version of the actual symbol for everyone's enjoyment: As you can see, it does reflect both the WoK description ("three diamonds in a pattern, overlapping one another") and the WoR description ("triangle"). Apparently Isaac had to do multiple drafts of the symbol, and we even had a detailed description of one of the candidates that looked totally different from how it eventually ended up. Here's a version of the symbol that shows one way to draw it in one stroke, and I colored it in a way I thought was appropriate (Ghost=grey, Blood=red):