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  1. Weren't there a few months of drunken debauchery after he remembered and got the thrill and got depressed? He got a lot of time to fix himself. Cultivation knows just when to make things grow to beat Odium.
  2. It's another of Cultivation's plays, just like Dalinar. She returned his memories just in time so that Dalinar could resist Odium and crush his army, turning Odium's sword against him. She gave Lift incredible powers of stealth and deception to fool Odium. She made a diagram for Tara so that she could sway Odium from the inside. Never gamble against a fortune teller's cards. Odium is making a big mistake. He should be seeking to take Cultivation's cards off the deck, not overpower them and sway them to his side.
  3. And people have defended Elhokar as well. These are subjective views of generally non super evil or super good acts. Spren aren't morality spren.
  4. If the argument is that becoming a knight's radiant is a redemption arc, then the fact that lots of knights radiants still do bad things after becoming radiant is worth considering. They're bound to a magical thing with an arbitrary morality. Binding to a random spirit and following its whims doesn't make you a good person.
  5. I think it's worth considering what makes a radiant. You need a broken, damaged soul, one full of cracks for spren to go into. You need to have been a bad person in certain ways often, or to have been horribly abused. You need to be mentally ill and disturbed, often. This means that a lot of seemingly bad people will become knight radiants. Dalinar say, who burnt to death his own wife and an entire city, and brutally slaughtered his way through countless people. Kaladin, who abandoned his friends to let the forces of evil slaughter them unopposed because he didn't want to offend his friends. Shallan, who slaughtered her family and who stabbed an innocent man for information after stealing his chair, who lies to and deceived all around her. These are books about the shard of honor, not the shard of being a nice person.
  6. There are a lot of parallels with Mistborn. Wouldn't surprise me if there were more now.
  7. Any shard can emulate any power another shard uses. Odium has glanced over Scadrial, he could have made a nicrosil copy or variant.
  8. You don't feel an urge to ritually murder your culture's current entirely unrelated gods and their representatives out of your deep sense of responsibility? Just to be safe. This sort of insane sounding reasoning that they had is why this recreance sounds so odd. In modern day terms it would be something like "4000 years ago my ancestors sacrificed a human. I feel guilty, so I'm going to kill a religious person so I don't sacrifice any humans." It's not really a chain of reasoning that has likely occurred to anyone ever.
  9. I guess part of the issue is that the problem they faced, that their civilization is a dangerous one with a history of doing dark deeds, that sometime thousands of years ago incorrect and perhaps evil gods were worshiped by their ancestors is an issue that faces almost everyone today, and almost every soldier alive. It just doesn't ring right that they'd react so strongly. We know, say, that a lot of our countries have nuclear weapons. That doesn't make most of us want to murder every physicist in case they do something vaguely related to nuclear weapons. We know that bad things were done by some of our ancestors at some point, we mostly don't care. Why do they care so much about people thousands of years ago? Why do they think that it's a good idea to kill their best friends because of an unrelated magic system?
  10. Wasn't it centuries? Anyway, d you have any reason to believe they stopped talking to them? Even today, the Heralds are still talking to people.
  11. The Heralds were talking to people and lying to them.
  12. They likely had more issues than simply being colonizers. Honor was starting to go insane, perhaps because he was being destroyed by Odium, they were getting odd messages, the Heralds were insane and had dumb ideas of what to do, generally they had a lot of poor messages from their leadership. Just imagine the chaos it would cause on earth if at every religious building divine beings started ranting about how the churches would destroy the earth and prophets returned from the dead to to say this was a good idea. They don't know that Honor or the Heralds are insane either. They assumed these were accurate prophesies and accurate views, not the ramblings of a person whose mind is being cracked and broken.
  13. https://brandonsanderson.com/annotation-mistborn-3-chapter-eighty-one-part-4/ It takes millennia for them to truly be overridden by shardic intent, and he's not touching much power. He's not in too much danger. There will certainly be some emotional impact of course, as with anyone who starts to become a savant level power toucher.
  14. https://coppermind.net/wiki/God_Beyond Sorta, but mostly, whatever the true god is, the one that Dalinar mentions and which Brandon has mentioned a few times. Brandon has noted that the God Beyond is the god that dwells in the afterlife, the beyond. The true monotheistic Abrahamic god expy.
  15. Three possibilities. 1. He's referring to another shardic ally, likely autonomy. We killed Honor, now Dalinar is manifesting the powers of a sliver like Vin and drawing in extra stormlight which should be impossible because he doesn't know much about reforging shards. 2. This moment reminded him of when they slew Adonalsium, and Dalinar is merging Odium Honor and Cultivation magic to act like a proto form of Adonalsium. 3. Evi was killed utterly (soul wrecked, personally targeted by Odium) enough that her cognitive shadow shouldn't have been able to manifest, but the god beyond, the true creator of the universe resurrected her briefly because he liked Dalinar enough to help him win. Hard to say which is more true without some word of Brandon.
  16. The knights radiant were apparently surprisingly emotionally fragile, but yes why find why they fell.
  17. They're tough as we see in the books, but they're tougher than several weak radiants put together tough. They're bosses that Dalinar and co can defeat, not city wrecking monstrosities. I imagine that the sibling was doing other things, and someone convinced them to help make Uri. A mythical super city may not be enough to hold a godspren, but the mountain probably is.
  18. I'm still leaning towards the third godspren being one that inhabited Urithiru and made the fabrials work and kept the unmade away, a fusion of honor and cultivation's power, and them dwelling somewhere near the Shin as the god of Stone Shamanism, a holy and magical stone spren.
  19. -Umm... Odium never really settled on a planet. He is now settled on Roshar and his magic has permeated things. Leaving would be very difficult for him. It would either involve leaving behind some of his power or ripping that out, which would be a difficult process. So yes it is very tough to leave. That is an excellent question and for those of you who don’t know. Is anyone just baffled by that question?- From the Phoenix Comicon. So, he could leave, it'd just require leaving whatever power he has invested or overcoming whatever bonds. Honor being the cause of this locking does seem likely. I personally imagine a vast black field of goo and tentacles with continual twisting and changing shapes within in constant struggle with a glowing blue light of Honor on the spiritual and cognitive planes.
  20. There's nothing in this that I disagree with, other than your false characterization of me saying all Harmony has done is send Lessie. Although I'll note his preparation seems wildly inadequate. He hasn't been supporting Wax and Wayne with any obvious servants other than the Kandra. His Kandra were crushed when they tried to act in Shadows of Self. The Set now have strategic magical nuclear weapons. In theory he did a lot, but in practice a group of five or six of his servants are, mostly alone, opposing a more technologically advanced army. The enemy has at least one Kandra double agent, we've not seen any double agents from his side even when it would have been super useful for them to show themselves. It looks like if he was opposing the Set the Set won decisively.
  21. Indeed, powerful forces are working to limit his knowledge, there is a secret force bent on destroying intelligent life on Scadrial, the Set is pushing technology forward, Harmony may be trying to both allow them to operate and corrupt people while mitigating the worst of the damage and push technology forward. Based on this he- should take responsibility for Lessie. He took a controlled risk to allow them to operate and mitigate their damage. It failed, and so he's reasonably responsible for the consequences, especially since he also told Lessie to be best friends with Wax. He shouldn't critique Elendel for not having the advantages of said secret society. For decades or centuries the Set have gone unexposed and have been preparing under a conflict mode while Elendel has been unaware of any conflict and hasn't been able to speed up development of technology to counter them, and hasn't had divine servants to feed them info. He should probably stop them getting game changing technology, since in the prior book one of the enemy god's servants tried to destroy the food supply and wreck the city and almost succeeded. If nothing else, he should be worried that the other entity will try to cause chaos in his city and destroy the food supply with a large bomb. He shouldn't have allowed his counterpart to get the technology to make a large bomb. That should have been kept away from them. Lack of drastic action could mean they repeat what they did in shadows of self.
  22. How would people feel about a Wax quest, with multiple people being able to decide and vote on his actions? In this it would be where he had at the end of the novel decided to Keep the bands of mourning so he could wipe out and destroy the Set. Using standard mistborn rpg rules. You'd control Wax and House Ladrian and be able to decide on various actions he could take, personally handling problems or dispatching people to do so, working with Wayne and others. I think in six days (6 months after January 26th) this forum will be merged and spoiler issues will be ended, although if not then any such roleplay would presumably need to be consigned to this forum or something. Not sure exactly how that would work. This post is put here since it's a topic mostly about spoilers of an ongoing series, and, while a roleplay, is bound to have lots of talk of spoilers of the series and as such I'd assume this is the default board for posting. This is the rpg's guide to roleplaying Wax. Note that the mistborn rpg was written with the approval of Brandon and so the idea of roleplaying one of his characters is something he has considered and not veto'd. Would people be interested in this sort of roleplay?
  23. You're welcome. Note my phrasing- he's not the sort of person you want as a leader, not that he lacks leadership ability. He has the ability to control people, yes, but not necessarily the ability to predict the consequences of his actions, or understand those around him. That mission was an intellectual one, which is what he is suited for. People would follow him into hell, and he would lead people into hell blithely unaware of why the temperature had suddenly increased. For example, an alien god's ettmetal nuke hell.
  24. On the dullness or lack thereof- So yes, some sort to subjugate the will of others. And it's noted that war between Elendel and other cities was only prevented with careful diplomacy, not that other cities didn't war. In both the cases of subjugation and an ongoing tense situation there would be conflict that would encourage the nations to spend lots of money on military science. While these books are only guided by Brandon in the third mistborn book the tense warlike situation happened with no actual war but espionage and stealing of technology. What actual evidence do you have that it's free from outside conflict? The not perfect situation could easily include actual war between nations, as almost happened in book 3, or as was hinted at in the rpg. The person was saying that people in general could always pay for maintenance of family on wages, I was challenging that- there are several situations mentioned in the novels and the rpg that make that an uncertain statement. I previously in the thread noted my argument on this- essentially, that Harmony was wrong to think they should have developed tech this fast, based on in novel statements, real world stuff, and the fact that the other nation that got flying tech only did so because a sliver gave them tech to help out. Broadly speaking, Harmony was complaining about him being too helpful, when in fact another nation was able to fly only because an ex god was too helpful. They have lots of settlements in the roughs, limited by their population, and they have discovered the southern continents and their unknown metal by the first novel. In terms of settling the roughs more, if they had more population then it would be settled more. Harmony is dumb to think that his fertile basin inhibited exploration. Outside attack is clearly an issue as book 3 proves, and as stated here, the wealth and affluence of Elendel encourages danger and competition and exertion. Elendel is a cut throat city of extremes where some starve and barely survive in slums, with heavily patched clothing that's barely held together, and some become incredibly rich off opportunities. The extremely long work hours and need to exert yourself to not starve is mentioned in book 2. So, so long as you don't mind starving to death, no, there's no need to exert yourself. Harmony sent one of his servants to help out Wax, and said servant ended up brutally murdering lots of people, getting spiked with alien metal spike, and acting psychotic enough that Wax had to kill her. People are responsible for the action of their servants. He used prophesy powers to find a hugely unpleasant solution to fix his mistakes, yes, but he also seriously dropped the ball with her. Also, he's allowing the servants of Trell far too much freedom. It's an important thing to recognize in oneself. This has always been an issue of Sazed's. Before, he had huge amounts of knowledge which he could only access if he tapped his copperminds. He knew a lot, but didn't really have any good idea of how to apply it. He's knowledge smart, but he's not street smart, or charismatic. That is an issue he has as a shard as well. He knows a lot, but he doesn't have any good ability to synthesize it or apply it well. High int, low charisma, low wisdom. He's a nice person and very keen to try to see things from people's viewpoints after the fact but he's not the sort of person you really want in a leadership position. He probably hasn't actually thought much about what life is like as an average Elendel worker. Your post is reasonable and non rude.
  25. So engineering- something that the lord ruler kept relatively advanced, and something that wasn't much of an issue since they had their perfect Elendel. Farming methods, which Sazed made redundant with the fertile area. Astronomy, which wasn't very useful since they weren't a naval power. Not really useful knowledge for them advancing. The second book was about an alien god's servant causing floods and famine so I wouldn't assume life is universally dull for them. Complaints about slums, poorly patched clothing, crappy food are fairly common. The closest thing we have to a source, hopefully made with some input/ approval by Brandon- From the alloy of law mistborn rpg of semi canonness. That seems more likely to me than your theories that they definitely have enough money to sustain themselves and that there were no wars. Why wouldn't cities have had wars and conflicts given that such a war is a major theme of book 3? We repeatedly see hunger, poverty, and slums in the books, why wouldn't they exist? Clearly people are having issues paying for stuff on their basic wages. @CaptainRyan The pace of technological development, the source of flying tech, the source of the radio tech, whether he's made it too easy, the theoretical lack of exploration, people having everything they want, the effects of poverty on technological development and the general lack of everyting people want, him not being sorry for his failure to do much to counter alien gods and his degree of fault for that. Those are the immediate ones that come to mind. Again, no evidence for common renaissance tech other than buildings and economics, no evidence for a lack of conflict (and it's a major theme of book 3 mistborn and mentioned in the rpg so seems improbable, plus they have soldiers) and very little evidence for extensive tech dumping by Sazed. Edit. On the semi canonness of the rpg. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=618 So there's nothing 'wrong' with the rpg, it's based on his notes and brainstorming, but someone else wrote it.
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