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  1. I had the same feeling, that his eye colour is a representation of his bond with Syl, and as that grows stronger, his eyes will stay light for longer and longer. As Captain Ico says, at the 5th ideal, it will be very hard to break their bond, and Kaladin's eye colour will probably be permanent.
  2. Yes, that's true, but I figured all of them were made at some point during the process of abandoning the tower. Leaving such a huge city takes a long time, so they could have been made at various stages. Otherwise, why would they choose to leave records in such a strange, difficult way, if they weren't sure they were planning to leave permanently, and other messages would decay over time. However, if your theory is true that part of the record was made after, could make one specific epigraph more interesting: "Don't tell anyone. I can't say it. I must whisper. I foresaw this." [30-20, a particularly small emerald] I thought that this meant the abandonment of the tower. If your idea of the Sibling and Ba-Ado-Mishram being able to 'compete' is true, that might mean B-A-M could also interfere with the functioning of Urithiru. The Radiants thought B-A-M had found a new way to fight them by attacking one of the Bondsmith spren (While actually the slow death of Honor was what was influencing the Sibling). In response to that, the strike team might have gone out to find B-A-M as a way to stop this (at the same time, other Radiants thought it was useless, and had started back-up preparations, AKA leaving the tower). Then they succeeded with B-A-M and failed with the parsh people. (I can't see why in this case they would use the Sibling to imprison B-A-M though, since in this scenario they went out specifically to protect them. Maybe it was an accident or their only chance.) And, lacking the Sibling, the tower's functions started to fail. And the Radiants started to abandon the tower faster. Then one specific Truthwatcher decided they had to leave a record that they had foreseen what happened to the parsh people and the Sibling.
  3. This is an interesting theory, but I have a timeline question. Doesn't the gemstone archive imply that Urithiru (and possibly the Sibling, if it's truly the spren that powered Urithiru) has been failing for a while, even before the Radiants struck back at Ba-Ado-Mishram? They're already actively abandoning the Tower before they decided to form a strike team with Melishi.
  4. Shallan has so much going on that sometimes she feels like she's very focused on herself (she has a good reason, but like you said, it's a lot of dense information). Maybe this is exacerbated because she's looking at things from a different (researcher's) perspective, such as when she was studying spren in Kholinar when all the others were discussing something else. This gives us interesting information, but it means she's very rarely discussing things with other people, making her feel isolated even when she's in a group. This also works the other way. We saw Kaladin from a lot of different outside perspectives, and the difference between how Shallan perceives Kaladin, and how Rock does is rather staggering. Bridge Four, I think, has a better idea of who Kaladin is as a person than some of the others (Adolin, Shallan) do. It's interesting storytelling, but frustrating. I felt on occasion that Oathbringer had so much stuff happening that there was very little time to talk, especially in Kaladin's, Adolin's and Shallan's storylines. They were always rushing off somewhere.
  5. I think that's the point of the interludes though. There's one interlude character that shows up in all the parts who is more connected to the rest of the characters, but the other interludes are used as small views into the rest of the world, since there's no time to address them during the main narrative. It's a chance for Brandon to show off the world he created. Other interludes, such as Geranid (the two ardents doing spren research), Ellista, Puuli, Ishikk (from the Purelake) are all mostly disconnected from the rest of the book, except for worldwide events or vague references. In that way, this particular interlude is not so different. So this interlude is both a closure for one part of Tien's story, and maybe a introduction of the (awesome) Herdazian general, so we won't be too surprised if he shows back up (I hope he comes back, I liked him).
  6. While on one hand I think her story was very complicated, and needed a large number of pages, it might have been interesting to see part of her development from an outside point of view. Especially since Shallan is, frankly, a very unreliable narrator. I have always thought a comment Brandon Sanderson made about her sense of humor was interesting; many of the people she tells jokes to only laugh not because her joke was really funny, but because she's above them in rank, and they kind of have to. I always find this sort of dissonance interesting in a book. Besides that, I think the Shallan and Kaladin viewpoints were out of balance. Kaladin really took a backseat during this book, and he's my favourite viewpoint in the Stormlight archive, with Dalinar in second place.
  7. Yes, it definitely looks that way. It's also a continuation of the hints we got about the quality of Amaram's officers back in tWoK, in chapter 51, Sas Nahn (emphasis mine): On the surface, Amaram is the perfect lighteyed officer, but it doesn't hold water when you look deeper. It's all just appearance.
  8. I think it's in part to show that Alethkar has been overrun, and the Alethi have had to flee to neighbouring countries. On the other hand, the guy in this particular interlude, Sheler, was the commander of Tien's squad back in the day, and he was probably responsible for sending Tien out onto the battlefield, (and to his death).The squadleader was Varth, but Sheler was the one who decided to send the messager boys to fight.
  9. Are you just looking for book quotes or WoBs as well? I can't remember anything in the book right now, but there's that new WoB that shed some light about Shallan's early bond with Pattern:
  10. "I have seen the person who drank half the glass.. to find out who, you must first answer these riddles three." - Truthwatcher On a more serious note, could you clarify what sort of quotes you are looking for?
  11. I don't want you to feel like we're all dogpiling on you for having a dissenting opion. So if that happened, I'm sorry. I'm just curious to see the parts of the text made you come to this conclusion, or if it was just that one single scene that formed your opinion of Adolin?
  12. @insert_anagram_here, Hmm, I think you might be misunderstanding me, or I'm misunderstanding you. @Ookla the Obtuse and I are talking about the same event, but from what I can tell we are discussing different aspects of it. I specifically talked about his reasoning for actually committing the murder (and that his reasons for it had nothing to do with consolidating power for the Kholin family), while the other argument was about why Adolin concealed the murder afterwards. My argument here is that the pre-murder interaction basically went something like this: Sadeas: So I'm going to keep murdering your family (after my last two assassation attempts within a two-month period failed) Adolin: I'm not going to let you hurt my father. *stabs* The result of it was that Sadeas was no longer there to manipulate and scheme, so on one hand it did remove a source of trouble for his family. On the other hand it did turn out that Sadeas' army thought Dalinar did it which led to the Oathbringer finale events, which could've led to civil war in other circumstances. If Adolin's goal was to keep the Kholin family in power, he never would have done it just like this. He didn't actually think about the bigger problem at all, he just thought about protecting his father. If he had, this thought process would have looked very different. The fact that the specific action he 'choose' wasn't actually good for the Kholins is even evident in the part of the book you quoted: His action was very, very bad for the Kholin family, and could have easily led to their downfall. Adolin murdered Sadeas not out of the idea that this would be good for his family, he murdered Sadeas because he didn't want to let Sadeas hurt his father again. That's because he loves his family, and he wants to protect them. I do not think it means that all his choices are weighed by the standard of 'will this bring power to my family', which is why I said Sadeas' murder wasn't a good argument for the moral stance you're suggesting.
  13. I like to think I gave a few examples that he does have this moral code earlier in our discussion, where Adolin: 1. Helped a prostitute, pissing off both a lighteyes and other soldiers that belonged to a Highprince his father wanted to build an alliance with 2. Decided to believe a darkeyes over one of his father's most trusted old friends 3. Gave away two priceless and highly valuable weapons that could have done a lot of good for his family 4. Went in against his father's and his king's orders, thus possibly showing weaknesses in the Kholin family to outsiders These are all cases where he went with his own feeling of what was right over what was the best option for the Kholin family at the time. I'd like to ask you a counter question. Could you point me to the parts of the books that makes you believe he lacks this personal moral code? EDIT: to clarify, I'm not sure Sadeas' murder counts. One one hand, it does get Sadeas out of the way. On the other hand, as we've seen in Oathbringer, this has led to Sadeas' army believing Dalinar was responsible for the murder, which could have easily led to a civil war that could have destroyed both the Kholin house and the whole kingdom. Adolin didn't weigh any of these various options either, he just did it because Sadeas' threatened him, he hated Sadeas, and he was enraged.
  14. Then you might have to make your point clearer, as I believe a lot of people thought you suggested Adolin didn't have any sort of moral code, and was basically only kept in check by his father making him live by the Codes of War. Here's your original question (emphasis mine) That is what you suggest here, by saying you believe he has no personal moral code or sense of morals at all. Saying you need evidence that Adolin has a conscience is a rather leading question, suggesting you think he does not. If what you wanted was to start a debate as to what Adolin's moral stance is (which accepts he does have one), maybe you can rephrase part of your question?
  15. Maybe, but though I can't find it now, I believe even Kaladin eventually says that Adolin rescued the woman for another reason than to simply embarrass Sadeas' soldiers. I'll try to find it. Also, in the beginning of that scene, Adolin was clearly trying to be friendly and not make trouble. It was the other soldier who tried to escalate it into a fight, which forced Adolin to summon his shardblade. There are actually three events here. 1. Adolin believes Kaladin when he says Amaram is a murderer 2. Adolin gives Kaladin a set of the shards he won in the 4 to 1 duel 3. Adolin goes to prison to support Kaladin The first, Adolin has long had the feeling that Amaram was not quite what he is believed to be (a great general and a great man), so when someone very far below Amaram (far enough that Kaladin could never actually get justice), he decides to believe him (which isn't the easy choice, on the surface, Amaram is perfect and Adolin could very easily ignore this, especially since his father and Amaram are friends. The second, Adolin technically won all the shards in that duel, but decided to give a set to Kaladin out of a sense of fairness, because Adolin would have been dead without his help, even if he's angry at Kaladin for screwing up their chance to duel Sadeas The third, Adolin willingly locks himself in prison for three weeks to support someone he didn't actually like all that much before (Kaladin and Adolin definitely spend the first half of WoR being very annoying to each other). Chapter 66 of WoR: