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  1. I meant the oathpact was more the mechanism of the prison, not the deal with Odium. Kind of like when you tell someone "if you can get out of this box, I will give you this"(between Honor and Odium), or it might have been a trap for Odium. The Oathpact is how to keep him there and is specific to honor and his heralds, as honor is a force unlike ruin or preservation. I want to say honors power is like Syl describes it. "I bind things." Being honorspren I would imagine she would have Honor like abilities. But I think the oathpact is unique among shards as oaths bind people to things/actions/truths. Hence unique to Honor. However Honor got Odium into the prison the oathpact is the bonds holding him. I just think that the ability to capture is only easier with some trick, else it would be easier to kill, and if the shards started with roughly equal power...(not to mention that Odium has proven to be quite formidable).
  2. I don't think the champion thing is specific to the oathpact, but is a constraint upon all the shards. Take Ruin's use of Marsh at the end of the first mistborn trilogy. I mean if Ruin didn't have to use a champion, why even bother fighting anyone when the planet is almost beyond saving and they will die anyway. Yes he is after something, but he could have waited a few months and gotten it all the same. I think the Oathpact is specific to Honor(as he is all about Oaths), and it is the mechanism that binds Odium. How it started and the specifics are largely unknown to us, but with the nature of honor, I can't imagine him tricking Odium like Preservation did with Ruin. Once again going back to the nature of Honor was he made a bargain/challenge to Odium to entice Odium to enter into it willingly thinking either the reward would be worth it and/or it would be easily attained. Harmony clearly also has limits, else he wouldn't need Wax and company. Even in MSH which gives us the best viewpoints from a shardholder perspective, we don't get much, partially because of the nature of the holder. We just don't have a lot of viewpoints where we get an experienced shardholder being proactive. I don't know where I am going with this, but I think the distinction between general shardic law and the oathpact could be important.
  3. I wouldn't rule out parshmen just yet, in terms of hatred, former slaves likely had quite a bit of that built up towards cruel masters. Also, we don't know enough yet to about parshmen and their ability to bond spren. If parshmen cannot bond honorspren and the like, would it not also make sense that humans might not be able to bind Odium's spren? Or perhaps humans might have additional requirements, like Kal can only bond Syl so long as he keeps to his oaths, and she was attracted to him because of his desire to protect. If the same is true, someone would have to become sufficiently hateful to be able to bond such a spren. My personal top 3 all happen to be human, but only for narrative reasons and statistically we know more humans. 1) Moash - he is a character who has a lot of anger, especially towards light eyes, he was even able to essentially bring himself to almost kill Kal to achieve his goals. Kal has also described him as similar to himself and also a killer. For narrative reasons, this would make a great foil to Kal, and would cause Kal a lot of pain fighting him. 2) Adolin - I know this is a trendy pick right now, but hear me out for a second. We've spent a lot of time with Adolin, and that exposure makes us like him to a large extent. Also hes extremely competent in combat, which would make him great for a fight/champion in a duel scenario. He also has a lot to lose, and this is the key. He starts the series in a high place(women love him, he's his father's favorite son(presumably), he has everything). With Kal becoming a KR, hes kind of getting upstaged, even Shallan has really upstaged him. Read at the end of WoR about how Adolin thinks her status will change their relationship. What if she starts becoming interested in Kal? Or Kal starts to take some of the limelight from him being the 'protector'? They are currently friendly, but I could see jealousy become like a twist of the knife and drive Adolin to be increasingly resentful of Kal, and increasingly extreme in trying to impress his father(he might also see that even when Sadeas betrayed him, Dalinar continued to respect Sadeas, and that might be his justification for crossing over eventually). The whole murder thing I only see as a catalyst to start the journey downward (brings shame to his father, is forced to lie to Shallan and others to hide it, begins to drive a wedge that isolates him from others and even though he drives the wedge he will become bitter over it). Essentially, Adolin is a candidate because he has a lot to lose, hes not my number 1 because he still has a long way to fall to get to a place where this might happen, but definitely has been set up with that kind of potential, not to mention if Dalinar was forced to fight him, or Kal, would really conflict our protagonist's emotions. Also, Renarin with his ability to see the future could see Adolin as the champion, and would be a reason for him to be very concerned. 3) Tanavast - This one is really reaching, but my thought here is that the oathpact was something to the effect of a wager between Honor and Odium, where if Odium could defeat him, he would serve him(being honor, he would be bound by his word). Such a powerful draw would be enough to keep Odium occupied, and interested in such a bargain. In turn, Tanavast creates the heralds and tells them how to defeat him. There are also people who see the heralds as being corrupted, but what if they were bound to the unmade(ancient spren) who are essentially their opposites. This would explain why thus far we've only seen one dark sphere(Gavilar had it before he died), as its really Tanavast, and the other 9 heralds are holding the 9 unmade. Also, betrayal is a powerful emotion, usually causing hatred. Could Tanavast be hateful of humanity for betraying him after all he's done for them? I've seen the theory that Noadon or Jezrien could be the champion, but i just don't see it as they've been around. I see the Tanavast reveal as something like the Darth Vader reveal as Luke's father, and Obiwan answers that Vader murdered Anakin is true "from a certain point of view". Also, we don't know the effect of giving up a shard would have. My thought is that he surrendered it and Odium splintered it, but it had sufficiently changed Tanavast to where he retained his personality of honor. Other thoughts. 1) In every one of Brandon's books, we know the main antagonist of the series(in mistborn, Marsh becomes the champion of Ruin to make him more relateable), so we will most likely know whoever takes up this mantle(even the Lord Ruler was characterized for us before we met him, I could see Tanavast used this way). 2) I fully expect the heralds to show up at some point at Urithuru and shed a lot more light on this, perhaps even taking over leadership of their respective orders and trying to cleanse themselves. 3) The arrival of the skybreakers will likely be a turning point in the Adolin arc, because their ability to discern guilt will pin things down on Adolin where he will be exposed. Also with Szeth's history with everyone, his return will make everyone distrustful of him and cause a lot of friction, especially with Kal, who i imagine will need to learn to stand aside from Adolin's defense because its the right thing to do(I get this more from the "I will protect even those I hate, so long as it is right", which implies that this may have an opposite when it is wrong but I'm reaching here). It would make for a great 2nd act shake up, especially if Adolin appears to have his secret kept by finding the copycat and bringing them to trial. The copycat would provide a great scapegoat, and allow Adolin to conceal his offense easily. 4) The nature of hatred has a lot to do with caring about things. Very personal things, like betrayal, jealousy, resentment, would be the primary drivers of a character's descent into hatred. as per my examples, Moash is already full of hate, especially for light eyes, and is my leading choice among the humans thus far, but I see Adolin with a lot to lose, and could eventually wind up here. Tanavast is a reach, but would make an interesting plot point and could possibly be redeemed/freed which him in mortal form(assuming he cant take up his shard again as it is splintered, although the idea of dawnshards(this lines up with my personal interpertation of the oathpact causing Tanavast to serve Odium, splintering his own shard and giving it to help the heralds reign him in) being pieces of the shard and being able to be reunited and recreate the shard would give a totally double meaning to Dalinar's mission of "Unite them") My first real post here, but I've been a long time reader and lurker.
  4. Favorite is hard to pin down, but WoK is the only book I've read in a long time where i set the book down, stood up punched the air and cheered, then sat back down to keep reading. But I will say Elantris is my least favorite, but its still very good. Its the only one I've read only once.
  5. Just saying hi, long time reader and lurker, but nobody near me(geographically) that I know is reading the preview Chapters, or is even caught up with Brandon's books I needed people to discuss it with. So saying hi to everyone
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