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  1. I respect your opinion, but please don't try to tell me which topics to discuss, because you deem them as more important. Thank you.
  2. It is what I did. I asked you a question. It is you, that replied with an angry accusation of me putting words in your mouth. Anyway, I'm out. This is going nowhere. But, for the record, I don't agree with you.
  3. I'm not putting words in your mouth. Here, I'll even quote you. This means, that you are acknowledging that they are. Everything else is my interpretation based on that statement. So, if her past and present are equal and Kaladin knows her past, while Adolin knows her present, but neither knows both, neither of them can help her? Or can both of them help her in the same capacity?
  4. So, you are telling me, that I am right, because her past is actually the root of her current problems and to actually help her, her past has to be known? You are acknowledging, that the present is inextricably linked to her past by causation, right?
  5. About her issues, but not about herself. What you think is more important for a life relationship is your own opinion.
  6. And by extent, Adolin, since the objective truth is hidden from him. Whether or not she is willfully lying to him is irrelevant. The relationship is built on untruth. At any rate: Shallan didnt get married because she loves Adolin and wants to commit to a relationship, end of story. She just didnt. Her entire thought process regarding Adolin is thus: 1 - Hes physically attractive. Especially his hair. 2 - Hes sweet, but intellectually inferior 3 - Hes not Kaladin 4 - Hes a good match, socially, and the kind of guy she would have dreamed of growing up (what girl doesnt?) But those arent he reasons she decided to marry him. She married him because: 1 - He was trying to leave--every time he mentions or insinuates anything remotely similar, she doubles down on the relationship and goes overboard proving to him that he is what she wants 2 - She panicked about Veil and Radiant, deciding that they arent her and therefore what they want is irrelevant, and stuffed them into a box so that they wouldnt mess things up for her 3 - Because shes deluded herself into thinking that Adolin knows who she is, and is therefore the best one for her, because she suffered such a psychological blow as Veil back in Kholinar (her run-to, back up persona) that she couldnt ground herself anymore
  7. It is absolutely different, since she hasn't even acknowledged these feelings of being from herself, but rather from Veil and is deceiving her future life partner, that she never had those feelings for Kaladin, but that Veil did. There is no honesty in this. Just lies. An apparent truth, that isn't a truth is no truth. If the so-called truth isn't true, there is no honesty.
  8. She. Does. The actual worry of Adolin wasn't, that she might not like him. No. It was, that she likes Kaladin too - maybe more - due to tangible reasons of her leering at him. These things is what she is telling him to wave away, because "Veil was the one fond of him". I can quote the book too: I'm fine with that.
  9. And how did your wife react to it? That is key. Did she just tell you "it is nothing, forget it." Or, did she acknowledge your worries and actually talk about them with you? I suspect, that it was the latter and I congratulate you to have found this person in your life, I really do. But that isn't what Shallan does, she tells Adolin to "forget about it", because Veil is the one fond of Kaladin, which is actually Shallan at the root... A thing, that you already acknowledged. This wouldn't make your situation comparable to the one between your wife and you. He is. I mean, the interpretation of him actually being perfect does depend on your own moral views of whether or not it was right to kill Sadeas, but the fact, that he faces no repercussions for it, does paint him as having done the right thing, despite having done a quite wrong thing (killing in a fit of rage).
  10. See, the bolded part? It never was made clear, that he actually wants that. He wants her. That is what he said, but what is her? The front, that she posed for him or everything, that he doesn't even know? That is exactly the point, because no one can make these statements without actually knowing the person he is pledging his love for. Unconditional love is reliant on actually knowing, that the love you are proclaiming might clash with usual conditions you might have. Adolin doesn't have that with Shallan. You can only proclaim unconditionality of love, if you actually know the worst - the nadir - of your partner. Which conclusions exactly? I'm not calling him thoughtless at all. Him wanting to break off the relationship is actually quite thoughtful. What I'm calling him is desperate to keep the relationship going. His first objective was to actually keep a girl for once and marry her. This was his problem all along. His desperation shows, that when he tries to break off the relationship due to Shallan's leering looks towards Kaladin and Shallan tells him to just "forget about it", he just handwaves it away and suddenly his worries are just gone. If he was truly passionate about the relationship, he'd be furious, that his girlfriend/promised wife was making googly eyes to another guy. His disconnect from the whole thing is so unrealistic, that I don't see the passion in it, that everyone tries to tell me is there. All his viewpoints in OB are similar, hell, @Dreamstorm made a great compilation about moments, where he is more passionate about Kaladin, than he ever is about Shallan. It is not hard to make these conclusions, but only if you don't come from a pro-Adolin standpoint to being with. He is painted as this perfect being. Too perfect to be human to be honest. And I just can't believe it to be true.
  11. Exactly. And I still can't fathom how you think, that it is good, that she is in a marriage with the man, that has never seen the other sides of her and expects her to be just faceShallan. She can never be herself in this relationship. Especially with her trepidation to show her other sides, since she is reliant on his affection to actually keep herself (faceShallan) around.
  12. This is what I'm expecting. The thing is... She doesn't plan on telling him, she says Veil can tell him sometime. She's already avoiding crucial parts again. Sure is. The problem I see is, that Shallan isn't honest to Adolin. And he himself isn't either - though less so than Shallan. Like with how he withheld, that he killed Sadeas, while she was chasing clues who might have did it for him. They are desperate to be together, but both for other reasons. Shallan to not lose herself, Adolin to not be the "guy that can't keep a girl". To not disappoint his family. In my eyes, that is a quite fragile foundation for a relationship for life.
  13. Even if, that relationship amplifies her avoidance problems with facing, who she is? The whole fiasco started, because she couldn't cope with the reality, that she killed her mother. She still hasn't faced that fact and now is in a relationship with a guy, that actively validates her avoidance scheme, since he apparently goes out drinking with "Veil". There is supportive and there is destructive supportive. Adolin's behavior is the latter, since it is like giving whisky to an alcoholic. True, she committed to the relationship for now and yet she wasn't in the right state of mind to do so.
  14. I don't know if it happens "frequently" in real life, but that is beside the point. I also don't think that there is something like false emotions. Emotions are emotions, they aren't true or false. Also, their admittance of emotions happened after the chasms, after everything cooled down for a bit. You do have a point here, and on the flip side don't. Kaladin notices, that something is weird about Shallan, but he doesn't press her on it. I don't blame him, its not really his place to do so. So, we know, that he noticed something odd. Then immediately after their fateful conversation on the boat, Shallan switches to Veil in front of him and he doesn't press her on it, because for him her behavior of suggesting mutiny and stuff isn't unusual, since he knows, that she can be quite sly, if she wants to. Which is also why I think, that he'd call her on her BS and make her realize, that she always was like Veil. Adolin has never seen those sides of her. We don't know how he would have reacted. And yet, Kaladin and Shallan have been a lot more honest to each other - even in these short moments. The foundation was there and yet they didn't build on it because Adolin was in between them and Shallan couldn't make a free choice there either, since she was relying on the Kholin's to help her brothers. You also forget their flight to Thaylen City, which for some reason wasn't even shown. Fully agreed. And that is why we also shouldn't make any assumptions about Kaladin's reaction. We just don't know. Not based, but because. That was the sole reason. The things she lists later are schmoozes, that she tells Adolin to not leave her. And quite frankly, that he's nice is not deep knowledge of him, but common knowledge. I think, that you and I have very different views on what is important in relationships, so I don't think, we'll ever reach a common ground here.
  15. Absolutely, which wouldn't be a choice of love.