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  1. Ah my mistake, I thought it was more recent than that. I agree, I wasn't referring to the shattering, or the Radiants that presumably shattered them, only that other humans may have lived there in between who had shards with gems. Or am I misunderstanding and you're saying the Radiants may have left the shards at stormseat? I explained poorly I think. I was trying to say that maybe some of the Radiants, after seeing what they had done, looked at the docile yet self sufficient dullform listeners and thought "Hey, let's not just let our bestfriend-murderblades lying around for anyone to grab, let's give them to these guys who look like they might not start murdering each other with them, to keep them safe and cause minimal harm." But I was only brainstorming ideas and I don't know how likely this really is. Wouldn't there be lighteyed listeners then? Do we know Eshonai's eyecolor? @Yata I agree that Radiants must have broken oaths before the Recreance, but can we be sure that those dead spend would have become shardblades? It's as good a possibility as I've seen, but do we know for certain that that's how it worked?
  2. Kinda late but this is an interesting question. OB spoilers:
  3. Wow yeah scary. I like it. Those guards in Kholinar do act very differently from all the other revelers... I do also wonder about the carrier. No spren we know is inhibited from moving on its own in the physical, unless they are trapped in a gemstone. Why would Sja-anats spy need a piggyback at all? Agreed, there should be more to him too. What I think is that as people die he looks through their minds to look for information. I say this because in the Kaza interlude the Sleepless refuses to tell Kaza if there is a cure because there are things that can take secrets from her even after death. The death rattles would be a side effect that where Moelach connects with the dying person so rifle through what they know, but in return the dying person gets to know some of what Moelach knows. Kinda like when Shallan touches Re-shephir both of their souls are exposed to one another.
  4. Hmm I don't know... Sah's group wasn't executed, they were treated poorly and sent to the front lines... The kids really can't be held responsible for bringing a spy to Revolar (not that the adults can either really). The Fused whole deal is to win this Desolation and give Roshar to the new singers and then go to sleep or pass beyond or whatever. Those kids are the first to grow up in a world of free singers. Plus killing random kids won't get them their armies' trust or loyalty. I don't know, I think we might see Vai again, but maybe when we do, her head is full of Fused propaganda.
  5. A lot of the unmade serve a specific purpose, useful in times of war. But Sja-anat's role is a little more unclear. She corrupts lesser spren, but how was that helpful to Odium during Desolations?We've been told the Radiants feared Sja-anat the most of all the unmade, yet we also know that corruptions like in the cases of Glys and the Oathgate spren are something new and were considered to be impossible in the past. So how do Odiums forces benefit from corrupting lesser spren? So seeing how she is called the taker of secrets, and that she is able to see and communicate with Shallan through a corrupted gloryspren, I could imagine that she was something of a spy master. Humans draw corrupted spren, Sja-anat sees what's going on and reports it. Could she have another purpose, and what does it mean for the Radiants and the outcome of the Desolation if Sja-anat defects? Why did Radiants use to fear her so if she couldn't change their spren?
  6. Rereading Oathbringer again it really stood out to me how many new children are introduced to the story. Oroden, Gavinor, Rock's children Gift, Chord, Rock Jr., Star, Kuma'tiki and Song, Sah's daughter Vai... Even Mr. T's grandchildren are mentioned. There's Lift and Yanagawn as well, who aren't new but still get a good bit of development. With the back 5 books set at a time where most of these characters are at least approaching adulthood, can we speculate what will become of them? Obviously some will be more important than others, some might not be relevant at all, but I can't help feeling Brandon has introduced as many kids as he has specifically so they can play a larger role in the second arc. Lift, Oroden and Gavinor are the ones I feel like will have the greatest impact on the narrative, but I think Yanagawn is well on his way to becoming a more prominent character as well. He's had a lot of screen time and even a point of view chapter in OB. I think he has a lot of potential. I'd also love to see Vai and other singer children featured more. They are growing up in a very different world than their parents knew. I think it would be great to see how they get along growing up during a Desolation. Ditto with the missing listener children, lots of good stuff there. Is there anybody I missed? Gavinor and Oroden will probably be especially important in the back 5, but I couldn't say how specifically. I realize this is all very far in the future still, but I think the seeds are there, and speculation is what we do best. So how does everybody else feel about all the children?
  7. Ah sorry, I wasn't t trying to say that BAM is in the sphere, only that Gavilar was somehow granted the Voidlight in that sphere through her.
  8. Cool! I don't remember seeing this one before. He's said so many times that spren don't know how to get off world and yet. It'd be interesting to know at what time there are spren in Scadrial's CR.
  9. I agree. I used to think the will was a radiantspren being drawn to the fabrials granting the surge, but the connection with the oathgates is a better one I think. Those spren aren't Nahel spren but utilize transportation. I just wonder why Kaza needs to draw it, why it's not with the fabrials like the oathgates spren, and why she can't see it. What happens to the spren when a fabrials breaks? Where do the spren come from. Did they need to be created first, is that their only purpose or is it more of a give and take? I love this topic, thanks for asking the question.
  10. Has it? Maybe that's the WoB that I was looking for. Do you have it handy?
  11. I always read it that the emphasis was not about trapping spren in general, but a very specific spren. Gavilar explains that a crucial spren was needed to facilitate forms, namely Ba-Ado-Mishram, who we know could grant access to Voidlight. This in combination with the fact that we know what Voidlight looks like from when Fused use it reads to me like it has to be Voidlight. We know Voidlight is inherntly different from stormlight in that it doesn't, or only barely leaks, at least when the Fused are using it, so that explains how the spheres weirdly keep their glow. In one of the headings from the crystal archive, I think an Elsecallers mentions that trapping an Unmade requires a special prison. We later see that in the Kings Drop. I don't know if several small spheres qualify as such a special prison. It could still be a voidspren, maybe even Ulim...that would be interesting too. It's true Eshonai thinks of forms of power, but again, Ba-Ado-Mishram was responsible for those as well during the False Desolation... I don't know, it just feels like Voidlight is the easiest answer.
  12. I like that idea. Celebrant is closeish to the beginning of the expanse of vapours. I'm pretty sure someone asked Brandon about either Splinters of Harmony or Preservation but I can't remember what the answer was and I'm having trouble finding anything on the arcanum...
  13. Exactly. As far as I know people have been trying to match them with one of the orders. Knowing that they are not affiliated at all is pretty cool. The only other sapient spren we've seen so far (on Roshar) that weren't associated with an order were voidspren. I just think it's interesting.
  14. There's also this Which I think is really exciting. There was a bit of a debate whether these were truthwatcher or skybreaker spren. So instead what could they be?
  15. Ive been wondering for a while if this is actually the case on Roshar. Singers are described as having red or black hair strands, and I always imagined that to mean actual red instead of orange. We know horneaters are a human singer hybrid, and that lots of Vedens with red hair get it from their horneaters neighbours. Maybe Rock and Shallan have actual red hair.