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You assume that is the Survival shard, the one named in SP #3. Many, including myself, think it is not, and the Survival shard is the last to be revealed. The intent of that named shard has almost nothing to do with survival, wisdom, prudence, etc. IMO.

Thanks! I put quite a bit of thought into that table! I see strengthen as different to change. Change is more along the lines of transforming from what things are to something else. "Strengthen" doesn't change anything but enhances it. Actually, maybe "Enhance" is a better dawnshard name, now that I think of it? Of course, if one assumes that "Unite" is a dawnshard, as some have theorized, then my table doesn't work that well Devotion and Dominion could still work in a "Unite" column, but then Valor or Ambition don't work very well there.

I hear what you are saying, but Brandon is known for misdirecting us, which is what he could be doing with that letter. There could be an entirely different reason Invention is not responding. Also, I always envisioned the shard with the primariy intelligence intent (ie invention) to be behind what is going on at Silverlight. And that just doesn't fit for me with wanting to "just survive" at any point. Silverlight and the 17th shard have been very active in the Cosmere.

Also here is a table I came up with. Sorry if I am copying anyone's ideas, it was not intentional if so. Dawnshards Create Change Stabilize Strengthen Realms Physical Invention Ruin Autonomy Dominion Cognitive Virtuosity Odium Pragmatism Valor Spiritual Endowment Mercy Honor Devotion Temporal Whimsy Cultivation Preservation Ambition

But how does invention lead to a desire to survive? Invention is to me, more of a creation type shard intertwined with intelligence. Pragmatism is more of a stability type shard with intelligence. I would see invention trying to create unique devices to avoid destruction by Odium at the beginning of things. I am just having a hard time seeing invention withdrawing and just trying to survive. There is nothing creative in that. Also, Pragmatism is a really nice counter to Whimsy, just sayin'.

I am posting this here as my theorizing mainly comes from Brandon's Q&A about Secret project #1: _________________________________ Kellyn The chat is very much reading into your use of "whimsy." Brandon Sanderson I know. They should, instead, read into something earlier I said in the stream. Secret Project #1 Reveal and Livestream (March 8, 2022) _________________________ So I re-watched the stream, and something popped out at me, as the word "pragmatc" was used multiple times. In addition, the way this world is structured has a very pragmatic feel to it. Each of the 12 moons is positioned over a different area of the planet (each with a different "proto-aether"), the moons being directly over what is likely the 12 habitable areas on the world. The rules, at least in this realm, seem focused on keeping things working (ie very pragmatic) rather than keeping people "happy". So I'm thinking a shard named Pragmatism is or once had influence over this system, is associated with the number 12, and is responsible for the aethers being slightly different on this world vs. the aether homeworld. Pragmatism also fits in very well with what we know of the survival shard . It is also in line with those who have guessed "wisdom" as a shard, of which Pragmatism is close. To survive can be a pragmatic choice, but recall Brandon also said recently that the Survival has come to recognize that surviving may no longer be the best option. _________________________ Paleo In May, in Germany, you told me that... or I asked whether Wisdom was a Shard, and you said it was or something like it, and that wisdom was close to an intent of a Shard, and you also told me that it has realized that survival isn't necessarily the most important thing for it. I wanted to ask whether it has realized that over time or was it from the get go? Brandon Sanderson Over time. Paleo Okay, so then naturally, my next question: Is it the survival Shard? Brandon Sanderson RAFO. Paleo And then somebody actually came up with another good probable name. Is Prudence close? Brandon Sanderson Prudence sounds an awful lot like a Shard name. That's some excellent theorizing there. Prague Signing (Oct. 26, 2019) __________________________ What do you guys think? Could Pragmatism be our final shard? Unless, of course, some group has gone out and created a new one (see: Secret History)

What about "Strive" for the fourth dawnshard? This also fits both Odium and Ambition, and also opens the door for a shard such as "ingenuity". To me, this grouping fits the cognitive quadrant well. So my four are Survive (physical), Change (temporal), Unite (spiritual) and Strive (cognitive).

@Ixthos One could also argue that Vengeance is a possible combination of Justice and Odium (passion). There are many different lenses one could view these things with. Also, Justice is not always honorable. What about vigilante justice? This may or may not be vengeance-related, if you live in a country where the courts do not work for the people. As for Scholarship vs. Ingenuity, I see scholarship as gaining external information, as you say (or external pulling, as some would categorize it; I'm thinking here of researching, university types, aka Khriss), where the ultimate goal is truth. Ingenuity I see more from an "invention / creation" point of view, more in line with your "crafting" as a shard idea (internal pulling, as the ideas come from within). The difference would be, Ingenuity is more Cognitive based, where Crafting is more Physical.

Completely agree with this. If Justice is indeed a shard, it would make sense that Rayse would have gone after it early, possibly #2 on his hit list right after Ambition, before heading to Sel. Perhaps Justice even witnessed Odium's splintering of Ambition and in turn confronted Rayse, which would be in line with the shard's intent?

I posted this in another thread by @Ixthos, but wanted to post here to see what you guys thought also. I think it makes sense, that if "Unity" is simply Dalinar's interpretation of "Honor", that the orders would at least be loosely based on the 16 shards of Adonalsium, which may in turn help us identify the remaining shards. Let me know your thoughts! Windrunners = Protecting, Leadership = Preservation Skybreakers = Just, Confidence Justice / Ego (Though I think Vengeance would be a possibility if you combined "Justice" and "Odium". I also think that Ego serves a nice counterbalance to "Humility" below) Dustbringers = Brave, Obedient = Dominion Edgedancers = Loving, Healing = Devotion / Cultivation Truthwatchers = Learned, Giving = Scholarship / Endowment (with Scholarship perhaps associated with Silverlight?) Lightweavers = Creative, Honest = Ingenuity Elsecallers = Wise, Careful = Prudence (a variant of wisdom that also fits with this being the survival shard) Willshapers = Resolute, Builder = Ambition Stonewards = Dependable, Resourceful = Autonomy Bondsmiths = Pious, Guiding = Humility / Honor I couldn't really find a place for either Ruin or Odium, but those two may be so at odds with Honor that perhaps they were left out. What do you guys think? This would have the 6 remaining shards be (or some variant of) Justice, Ego, Scholarship, Ingenuity, Prudence and Humility

So, I like your idea of grouping shardic intents with the Radiant orders. I think it makes sense, that if "Unity" is simply Dalinar's interpretation of "Honor", that the orders would at least be loosely based on the 16 shards of Adonalsium. However, I have a slight variant on this based on my own ideas for the remaining shards, let me know your thoughts! Windrunners = Protecting, Leadership = Preservation Skybreakers = Just, Confidence Justice / Ego (Though I think Vengeance would be a possibility if you combined "Justice" and "Odium". I also think that Ego serves a nice counterbalance to "Humility" below) Dustbringers = Brave, Obedient = Dominion Edgedancers = Loving, Healing = Devotion / Cultivation Truthwatchers = Learned, Giving = Scholarship / Endowment (with Scholarship perhaps associated with Silverlight?) Lightweavers = Creative, Honest = Ingenuity Elsecallers = Wise, Careful = Prudence (a variant of wisdom that also fits with this being the survival shard) Willshapers = Resolute, Builder = Ambition Stonewards = Dependable, Resourceful = Autonomy Bondsmiths = Pious, Guiding = Humility / Honor I couldn't really find a place for either Ruin or Odium, but those two may be so at odds with Honor that perhaps they were left out. What do you guys think? This would have the 6 remaining shards be (or some variant of) Justice, Ego, Scholarship, Ingenuity, Prudence and Humility

Here's mine: Borio Singaldi and the Prospect of Death Borio Singaldi and the Perspective of Death Enjoy!

Here's a brand new WoB for you guys from the Houston signing. Brandon signed something in my book related to the part 2 letters to Hoid, specifically the first letter. Enjoy! Q: Can you drop a hint about which Shard authored the first of the letters to Hoid shown in the part 2 epigraphs? Brandon: You have seen their world.

Guys, super small edits, but I'm pretty sure this is it. I have bad vision and am used to focusing/refocusing my vision to read words.. the Unmade are shadows of the enemy's "soul" not "mind". I am also 100% about the word "completion" for the spy (Shallan). A new storm has come. Ash and red lightning sweep the land awakening our ancient enemies. The Unmade - shadows of the Enemy's soul - stir, while the eyes of men open. This war is not, and never was, what they thought it to be. We may soon hold Surges again, for the Radiance has returned to some, and shines toward others. The Captain, broken by loss, seeks reconciliation. The Spy, broken by cruelty, seeks completion. The Stonewalker, broken by oaths, seeks truth. The Traitor, broken by ambition, seeks freedom. And finally, The King. Broken by war, he seeks the past. That which was abandoned. That which he must not know. For those secrets will crush him as they did the knights who came before.

@Emerald101 yes you are right that the above wob's do not deny that a spren cannot be 100% honor or 100% Cultivation, but neither do they confirm it. It does seem to confirm that there is a spectrum. I personally find it unlikely due to how intertwined in the underlying magic we find the influences of both Honor (more of a cognitive shard) and Cultivation (more of a physical shard). Even "honorspren" are cousins of windspren, which seem to be more elemental rather than cognitive in nature, and therefore more related to Cultivation. Shallan's spren, Pattern actually seems more related to Honor on many levels as it is so much more cognitive in nature.

A thought about the figure in black shardplate: Any reason why this couldn't be Rayse? It could be that since Dalinar doesn't know about Rayse that he assumes it is Odium's champion. And the familiarity could be Dalinar having met or known Rayse already? Does anyone else think that Rayse may have appeared somewhere on-screen already?

There is a WoB out there that says that as long as you can see one of Taldain's stars (most likely the daystar star), you can access Autonomy's investiture. Q: Would someone with enough knowledge be able to use Autonomy’s investiture if Taldain could be seen from his world? A: Ok so I’m on a world and I see Taldain’s star, are you asking if someone could use the investiture? Oh ok I see. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. That’s good! You stumped me. I haven’t gotten that question before. I would say yes, if the light particles are reaching you. I mean technically you could use the light from one of those stars to power a solar sail so…

I think Soul Forging is all about changing Identity, but I don't think it can also forge Connection to the Investiture (aka spren). See the below WoB: Q: If Shai were to gain a Shardblade, then she gave it up, could she create an essence mark that represented the history where she still had the Blade? If she then applied the essence mark could she summon the Shardblade or a copy of it? A: So, um, doing that sort of thing, like rewriting herself even to be an Allomancer., or something like this....this is possible, but, in order to gain the Investiture she wants to have, she will have to input that much in Investiture, which her current magic system is not capable of doing. Okay? Alright, so, rewrite so that I have a Shardblade would require some sort of hacking of her magic system, which is currently impossible to her in her current situation. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1099

So this would grant you the knowledge and history of the shardblade/spren itself, but would you gain enough innate knowledge of the identity of the person you are trying to imitate? But let's say you could do this. I'm not sure that re-writing your spiritual Identity like this (as crazy as that may be to you!) would be enough. The Nahel bond centers around thoughts (the Cognitive/soul). The Spren's thoughts and the Knight's thoughts are bound together ever so tightly, and we can see this at the end of WoR when Kaladin wavers between the two promises he has made, and what it does to the bond. Since the Connection here has its source in thoughts, I am not sure that Feruchemy would be able to "fake" this kind of Connection like it can on Scadrial, where the Connection is to something in the physical realm.

I do think it interesting to not that Brandon capitalizes the word "Radiant" but not the word "vibrant". Normally he capitalizes words that have Cosmere or Investiture significance.

I think that some blades/spren are "more" of Honor than Cultivation, and vice versa, but I think all spren contain some of each. Why would a pure spren of Cultivation care about oaths or ideals? Also, even though Syl calls herself an honorspren, I think it is more because of how she sees herself, rather than due to her true nature as a spren. See the below WoB's. They aren't the most solid, but they do seem to point to not any spren being 100% of either Honor or Cultivation:

Good thought, but we are fairly certain this is not the case. It has been highly theorized that Braize was formerly the Tranquiline Halls and potentially where the Heralds are from originally, of which I agree, but I do not believe Braize = Yolen. Most of the proof for this is in the below thread, based on the correspondence between Frost and Hoid included in select epigraphs of the first two books. (Frost is on Yolen btw).

I didn't notice this. That means Venli was with Klade when he bought Szeth, I wonder, if Venli is already under Odium's influence somehow (which I am sure has already been theorized), if she used some type of voidbinding to sense the investiture Szeth was carrying (Jezrien's Honorblade)?

The below appears to be modified ever so slightly from the earlier draft we were given. For example: Previous version: "Gavilar removed something from his pocket. A sphere? It was dark, yet somehow still dun, as if it had an aura of blackness, a phantom light that was not light at all, faintly violet, a sphere that seemed to stop the light around it." Current version: "Gavilar removed something from his pocket. A sphere? It was dark, yet somehow still glowed. As if it… had an aura of blackness, a phantom light that was not light. Faintly violet. It seemed to suck in light around it." Not sure if these edits give us any new information, but at least we know what we are getting now from TOR has gone through revisions